John you have been drinking the Kool Aid. You would find Zimmerman guilty on media hype? Unbelievable. Had it been a fact that the young man was " just walking down the street " Mr. Zimmerman would be on his way to the cross bar hotel. That wasn't the case and the defense proved it, end of story. Innocent. Bob H.
The fact that one man was armed is irrelevant too. One does not need to be armed to be dangerous to another. Thus the reason why anyone in martial arts must verbally tell any one in a confrontation that he has these skills as he is now considered a dangerous weapon himself. Just being trained to kill in the military will make a persona dangerous weapon in the eyes of the law. Knowing the "use of force continuum" will clarify this. Fact is a minor was acting suspicious in an area that was known for problems, the minor was confronted by an adult where an altercation occurred and the minor was shot in self defense. Age, race and gender have nothing to do with whether it was right to shoot in self defense. Ask a Vietnam Vet what they had to do if a 10yr old Vietnamese girl confronted them with a grenade or firearm, tough decision but one with common sense would shoot her in self defense. It does not where in the world you are, in war or not, children are commonly used to for crime and for assault purposes. Gangs are no different. Funny, never heard about this either: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-ends-65-year-romance-meeting-blind-date.html Another po black boy going to somehow play victim in the end.
They have testimony from the girl he was talking to on the phone She asked if he was scared He replied that he wasn't because he was in front of his father's house They played that phone call recording in court I watched it on TV So if he was in front of his father's house what was he doing 100 feet away where he was shot? He went back for something Will never know what for But it creates reasonable doubt As for being told not to follow.. It wasn't a police officer that asked him not to follow it was a 911 operator.. A civilian And it's Not illegal to follow someone with or without a legal gun. Martin was almost 18 and quite a bit taller than George Testimony showed George was no fighter When questioned about calling out for help the police tricked george and said they had a video of it and he showed relief. His exact words or "thank God" There was evidence on Martin's phone that he was trying to sell a gun and also had pix of pot plants and was expelled from school in Miami for having a pot pipe With evidence of marijuana It's tragic on both sides When they posted tweets from Martin's father last night on TV after the decision was made I'll admit my eyes filled up It is tragic to lose a child no matter how it happened But take that emotion out of the court case and there was no evidence To convict with Manslaughter
"Fact is a minor was acting suspicious in an area that was known for problems, the minor was confronted by an adult where an altercation occurred and the minor was shot in self defense. Age, race and gender have nothing to do with whether it was right to shoot in self defense. Ask a Vietnam Vet what they had to do if a 10yr old Vietnamese girl confronted them with a grenade or firearm, tough decision but one with common sense would shoot her in self defense. It does not where in the world you are, in war or not, children are commonly used to for crime and for assault purposes. Gangs are no different." If you see someone "acting suspicious" in that area then you should call the police. This is what neighborhood watches do. We have a neighborhood watch, and I believe that some of them do carry firearms, but they have never attempted to take matters into their own hands as far as arresting/interrogating someone. They always called the police. As far as him(TM) being portraited as as "gangster", well that is irrelevant. At the time he did not rob any store, wasn't breaking into cars, disturbing the peace. And I agree with your statement, if a Veitnam Vet was confronted by a child with a weapon, then they are trained to handle the situation. But we are not talking about a Vet, we are talking about someone that if he had done the right thing, a life would have been spared. Personally I believe the legal system here is just a elaborate game of chess. In my opinion, the media circus that took place should not have happened. Was I unhappy with the verdict..sure. But we know that the civil trial is coming, and my bet is that outcome will be totally different. In our political times, this is way to keep both sides "happy" without it boiling over into the streets. thealchemist12(milt)
there was no confrontation on Zimmermans part. he had lost track of the young man and started walking back when Martin stepped from the shadows and attacked him. the Media projected so much false information that it's no wonder so many uniformed think the guy should fry. hell NBC edited the 911 tapes to make it sound like a cut and dried case..
After hearing the girl's testimony there wasn't a shadow of a doubt in my mind that TM went looking for a confrontation.
if he hadnt been out pretending to be neighborhood watch police warden none of this would have happened in the 1st place. i could care less about the boy or him just get tired of dealing with people who pretend to be the police and cant mind there own business.
This is the part I heard as facts. Someone in the WH wants a race war. That's why its a mess in the media. These people that want to riot are only wanting to loot and rob but have an excuse for it. I have a friend that told me his first hand story about the LA riots. I will agree with him that its all about taking and looting in the end.
The UK Daily Mail covers the states better than all the American media Daily Mail broke the NSA spying story , too
As I read this I cant help but think that when I was block capt here, we were having all kinds of theft and vandalism around a 4 block area. Most of the neighbors wont help anyone out so when GZ was out he was doing no different than I did. I too was armed. I too have called in to the sheriffs dept and I will tell you this If anyone would have attacked me like TM did to GZ I would have also shot them. And not before I had to go get stitches either. If TM hadn't had him down in the ground and pound GZ would have not shot. I believe (since I have wrestled very little too) GZ was scared to death at this point. I know when someone stronger than yourself is on top whether wrestling or fighting you go into survival mode. Its also easy for all of us armchair quarterbacks to decide who was at fault but until you have walked in GZ shoes you don't know what could happen. I think its deplorable the media showed TM as a 12 year old and GZ as a nasty old guy. That needs to stop. The agenda of the media needs to be addressed and soon. Posting personal info out on the air or online should be a crime with heavy sentences. (stepping down now) ps. I also only confronted the culprits 2 times and both times they flew like the wind so I will never know what I would have done if the 2-3 of them would have turned on me...
How about the fact that Travon made it home and then went back out looking for Zimnmerman? bet ya never heard that from the Media eh?
Guilty or Innocent If Zimmerman would have stuck to his roll of neighborhood watch captain; and continued watching, none of would have heard of Zimmerman nor Martin
Honestly - ask yourself this: You get a phone call at night from the police telling you that your unarmed 16-year-old son has just been killed by an armed older man because he was walking down the sidewalk. This after the armed man had been told by the Police Dept. to back off. You are honestly going to tell me that you are going to support the man with the gun? BS. Sorry. I'm right on this one.
like i said i could care less about either. boys dead good. my problem is with the fact who the hell is he to follow the boy around try to ask him why he was there etc.... if i was 17 and some guy was following me around my dads house id prob whooped his a$$ too. granted i dont live in a gated community.
MSM are hypocrites to the enth degree ! just now heard about this and it happened last year. Black woman stands her ground, kills white man TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 18, 2012 BY MARTIN BARILLAS Houston area investigators are looking into a stand-your-ground case where after a minor fender-bender, a 22-year-old white male was shot and killed by a 23-year-old black woman. During a morning commute, Crystal Scott and Jonathan Ables were in an accident and pulled into a Shell gasoline station to survey the damage. According to Scott, Ables exited his truck and ran toward her driver-side door. Scott said he yelled and then hit her door and tried to open it. Fearing for her life, Scott pulled her pistol and shot Ables once through the drivers window and struck him in the chest. Ables died at the scene. A Harris County Sheriffs spokesman, Sgt. Felipe Rivera said From what we understand it was maybe just a minor accident, while adding, The information were getting is that it appeared to be a minor accident that turned into road rage. Nonetheless, the victims girlfriend, Evelyn Bautista, claimed that Ables was not aggressive. Hes just a regular guy, she said. Ables family members also claim that it is hard to believe that he deserved his killing. Bautista believes Ables was merely attempting to exchange insurance information with Scott. Ill leave it up to God. Im not one to judge. Its just unfair that they took him away from me like that, she wept. I just want justice. Thats it. Bautista was first apprised of Ablesdeath via social media. Ables sister-in-law, who has insisted on anonymity, said official investigators have already sided with Scott. If you dont even contact the victims family, that just shows how youre already siding on one side, you dont even care what the other people are feeling to even tell them, she said. If she feared for her life or something, why didnt she just drive off? Whyd she have to attack him? I dont understand, she added. Scott retained legal counsel soon after the incident. Attorney Letitia Quiones claims her client has a concealed weapon permit and reacted properly in the face of danger. [She] got involved in road rage with an individual who wrecked her car, followed her into a gas station and jumped out of his car and began attacking her car, she said. She did only what anybody in that position would be. She was in fear of imminent bodily injury or death and she ended it herself, said Quiones. Alleging that Ables broke the drivers side window of Scotts car, Quiones cited this as evidence of the ferocity of the attack. Quiones said that Scott is traumatized by the incident. Bishop James Dixon, Scotts pastor, said of the encounter, "There was a car accident and they pulled over into the Shell station to talk about it." Dixon said, "This was a normal morning for her into work. It's unfortunate that her morning did not proceed as planned." All we know is, she said it was self defense, and I really dont want to go into details, said Dixon. Shes a wonderful young lady, and shes a church member at Community Faith Church, where I pastor, along with her mother. Shes just a good values-based person, a hard working young lady. An eyewitness, who appeared on camera but has requested anonymity, said that he did not hear any threat in the seconds before Scott killed Ables. The witness was pumping gas and standing 15 feet away from Ables when a bullet ricocheted past him and struck his car. The bullet left a noticeable impression on the witnesss car. As for Scotts version of events, the witness said that if Ables had shouted or banged on the car, he would have heard it. What drew my attention was the gunshot, said the witness. I just want to be sure that I do everything in my power that everything is fair. I care about it being fair, he said. The Harris County sheriffs department has not yet responded to Spero News request for any security footage of the shooting.
And this is how these things start..Say that happened...Then you punched the guy,it was just a small swing but it hit him in an area that made him lose balance,fall to the ground then slam his head off the ground killing him on the spot.Now..Things can happen in an instant and then your life would or could be ruined. Say it was a bigger man than you,would you still want to be heroic? The kid should have just went inside and let it go..Then it would have ended differently..Martin had some responsibility in this as well. Unfortunately,he is dead and it could have been prevented by both parties..
I think both Martin and Zimmerman acted like a couple of morons. If the defense's story was correct, then Zimmerman wasn't guilty, if the prosecution's story was correct, then he was. Honestly, I think that in public cases like this, the "evidence" is just a matter of who has the most convincing lawyer, but the decision has been made by a competent jury, and he's legally not guilty, so that's that, and I can accept that. And Zimmerman was Hispanic, so I dont see why race is an issue here, I doubt that Zimmerman racially profiled the guy, he just didn't use any common sense. I've noticed though, that there are a lot of people saying things like, "This has nothing to do with race, and I'm outraged that the media isn't attacking all these BLACK guys who've committed these other crimes." And that makes no sense to me, because that's MAKING it about race. The reason those other crimes aren't being publicized as severely is because those criminals were immediately caught, and arrested. There was no controversy over them, everyone could agree that the crimes were bad, and the people who were caught were guilty. Basically, focusing more on black crimes because of the Trayvon Martin case would be fighting perceived racism with more blatant racism, and it really wouldn't make any progress. (I'm not saying anyone was trying to be racist, that's just the way it comes out.) Second, if Treyvon Martin had been white, I have no doubt that this case would still be a media frenzy. Except Zimmerman would have likely been arrested immediately, and the controversy would be over whether to let him free or not. Sure, that's a controversial statement, but it's hard to deny. P.S. The UK Daily Mail is not a very credible news source, they aren't taken very seriously in the UK. You want to check out the BBC News, or another more credible source if you are looking for reliable UK news. I like Al-Jazeera, for international news.
