flu shot?

Discussion in 'The Bench' started by crazychevy, Nov 24, 2014.

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Do You get the flu shot?

  1. yes

    53 vote(s)
    48.2%
  2. no

    57 vote(s)
    51.8%
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  1. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    If that injection can prevent a life threatening condition for someone, that person has to decide for himself whether it is worth the risk to get the benefit. Look at the constant flood of new drugs that are advertised. Ever listen to the side effects? Everything from allergic reactions to death :Dou:, but for some people, that drug may be a godsend and allow them to live longer, or a more normal life. The drug companies are required to inform us if only one person out of thousands suffered that side effect. Is it a risk?, absolutely, but everyone has that choice to make. I would never criticize anyone for making that choice either way. I'm glad we have that choice. You mentioned that you have had 3 heart attacks. A bad case of the flu might be more life threatening to you than someone with a stronger undamaged heart. I think it is a good thing that you have a choice that you can make to possibly decrease your risk of the flu. Whether you believe in vaccines and their effectiveness is another thing entirely, and you are entitled to whatever opinion you have on the matter. I'm not trying to convince anyone that they have to get the shot, but for me, it is the right choice. I wish everyone continued good health regardless.
     
  2. crazychevy

    crazychevy Gold Level Contributor

    Well said:TU: The only way I got better after My illness was to stop taking all the drugs and eliminate all the stress. I moved to the great white north and do not eat prepackaged food. Now the only drugs I take come in a brown bottle.
    I would like to ad I stopped taking all the pills By choice and not financial reasons all My meds were paid for and I think That is why they kept trying new ones:Do No:
     
  3. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    That's great, I'm glad you found something that worked for you. I'm 58 and have no health problems. I maintain a healthy weight, exercise, and try to eat healthy. I am not on any prescription medications and plan to stay that way.:TU:
     
  4. Smokey15

    Smokey15 So old that I use AARP bolts.

    I am on several drugs because of hypertension. Found I had it back when I was 18 and went for my required physical for the military draft. I had enlisted in the AirForce. Rejected because of this. Did very little about it until my wife, son and an employee ganged up on me back in '98. Heart is enlarged. Wife 911'd me twice thinking heart attack. Both times, no evidence. Second time, I was in the care of a very aggressive (in a great way) cardiologist. He made me stay at the hospital and they ran numerous tests. Very little blockage and treated me with meds. Now I see him regularly. I pass the stress tests and follow his advice. Eating right is the hardest part. I love food and my wife is a great cook.
     
  5. crazychevy

    crazychevy Gold Level Contributor

    One big rule with food in My house is if there is a word in the ingredients that You can't pronounce don't eat it:Dou: This eliminates most food in the store:ball:
     
  6. kick71

    kick71 Mike

    Here is my bias

    http://www.snopes.com/medical/drugs/gardasil.asp
     
  7. Race Lutz

    Race Lutz Well-Known Member

    I've been getting the annual flu shot for about 25 years. I have had one mild case of the flu and that was because (in my opinion) I got the flu shot much earlier than I had ever done before. I had a very elderly friend that I used to take to the Doctor visits and such. She has since died. She was really pushing me to go ahead and take her to get her flu shot and for me to get one at the same time. I gave in and did it. I had a mild case before Christmas. Even at that it was pretty bad.

    I get the shot in the middle of November, now. No more flu.
     
  8. ihatepunks

    ihatepunks Member

    Negative.......aluminum adjunctivants, squaline, formaldehyde, mercury, sd40 cancer virus, monkey tissue, insect enzymes, fetal tissue, the cancerous cells of

    Henrietta Lacks(google it) and a pletora of other juicy stuff I would rather not put in my body........to each his own, but the "Tuskegee Experiment" was proof enough for me not to trust injections of unknown origin.....but if you want an extra few, you can have mines...lol.:Dou: Amino acids, vitamin c, vitamin d,

    "beyond tangy tangerine", no pork meat and exercise has kept the flu at bay for years.
     
  9. buicksstage1

    buicksstage1 Well-Known Member

  10. kick71

    kick71 Mike

    That was my point with the post. Was in a hurry so didn't explain. Not sure if I believe snopes either. My point is (from the beginning ) that you can find anything quickly at your finger tips quick google or snopes and soooooo many people rush to the info as gospel. What you are using is just "word" Like i said I love science it has to be vetted data reviewed peer to peer and also reviewed by blind independent core labs before it becomes real. All medical drugs and devices approved in the US are governed by this process.
     
  11. buicksstage1

    buicksstage1 Well-Known Member

    Mike it is a very very flawed process gear around money and wall street. Regardless how you feel on this subject to just come on here and say its all hog wash is short sighted.

    In 2002 my wife who was very healthy and 32 years old with out any history of MS ever in her family and worked as a nurse suddenly with no signs or warning woke up one morning and could not feel anything from her neck down and shortly after had a MRI and was diagnosed with MS in her brain and spinal cord.

    As a nurse you were told you had to get all these vaccines and one of them was a Hepatitis B Shot. There are many case like this regardless how you feel about vaccines there is heavy evidence that supports many of these claims like it or not. Even if it is the cause of her MS its not going to help her at all health wise and to boot the government protects these dirt bag companies with our taxe dollars.

    But if they can stop this from happening to one more person I would be over the moon because no one should have to go through what we have. The MS specialist are talking about this, the court systems has ruled in the MS patients favour in cases but the vaccine makers, government and CDC fights it all the way.

    Here are some key things that are being echo'd by many out there about these vaccines.

    "Interestingly, the US government chose not to present any expert witnesses, nor to contest the case any further.

    But the family of the deceased woman had presented testimony from an expert witness who stated that, “It is biologically plausible for hepatitis B to cause demyelination because vaccines are composed of organic compounds of viral or bacterial origin, whether recombinant or otherwise, whose purpose is to initiate an immune response in the recipient,: the Court noted in the ruling. “But if any of the vaccine antigens shares a homology with the recipient’s antigens, the host’s immune response will attack both the vaccine antigens and the host’s antigens, resulting in an autoimmune response. This concept is also known as molecular mimicry and is well-established in immunology.”

    In the last few years, it turns out, the Federal Vaccine Court has issued a number of rulings in favor of petitioners seeking compensation for Hepatitis B vaccine-related demyelinating diseases, especially MS."

    Here is the link, this apply's to other vaccines also. Mike I sure as hell hope that your family don't have to go through the hell she/us as a family have had to go through.

    http://www.ageofautism.com/2009/02/vaccine-court-hepatitis-b-shot-causes-ms.html
     
    Last edited: Dec 10, 2014
  12. crazychevy

    crazychevy Gold Level Contributor

    Where do they make the shot:confused: I heard on CBC radio today that most Antibiotics are made in India or China but I can't seem to find anything on the flu shot? If the standards are good enough for antibiotics why not the shot:TU:
     
  13. DrBuick

    DrBuick Platinum Level Contributor

    You can do what ever you want on this issue. I don't really care. I am probably more qualified to answer this question than anyone on this board. I'm an accredited member of the International Academy of Oral Medicine and Toxicology as well as a Certified member of the International Academy of Biological Dentistry and Medicine. We study mercury and vaccines as well as all aspects of health including the causes of Alzheimer's Disease, Autism, Multiple Sclerosis, Parkinson's, and many others. I'm also a clinical nutritionist. Our main focus is mercury from mercury amalgam fillings but we have experts from all fields lecture to us.

    Vaccines are not effective at preventing disease, period. I've seen the research. Flu vaccines and the "emergency pandemic vaccines" like H1N1 contain large amounts of thimerosal which is a mercury containing compound that breaks down into ethyl mercury which is 200 times more toxic than elemental mercury from amalgam fillings. Elemental mercury is a potent neurotoxin that is the principal toxicant in AD and Autism.

    Our troops in Desert Storm received 16 vaccines containing thimerosal in one day. Many came back with Gulf War Syndrome. Some that received the vaccines but didn't go to the gulf also developed GWS. How is that possible? It had nothing to do with the gulf war. The late Dr Hal Huggins brought over about 12 Brittish soldiers with GWS, some in stretchers. He and a team took out all of their mercury amalgams, root canals and metal crowns all using proper protocol, then detoxed them and chelated them with heavy metal chelators. 100% of them had full recoveries. DVDs were sent documenting this to congress, the media, the military, the Whitehouse, and others. No response from them.

    The only country's military that did not get any GWS was the French. The French are the only military group in the coalition that rejected the American vaccines. Every group that took the American vaccines developed GWS.

    The incidence of Autism parallels the increase in vaccine usage. Autism is a very sad disease caused by vaccines. At my last toxicology meeting we saw a video of a phone conversation from a researcher with I think the CDC than was in tears saying that he falsified the data on vaccine usage being the cause of autism. He said it was the lowest point of his career. You should hear more of this intentional coverup. There is a huge lawsuit cooking right now. Oh, that's right, you probably watch network news and will never hear about it.

    Like I said, this is America. The land of the free. You are free to ride your motorcycle without a helmet, or smoke cigarettes, or get mercury fillings or root canals, or drink diet soda, or eat hydrogenated fats, or take ineffective vaccines. Wake up people!

    "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge..." Hos 4:6
     
  14. flynbuick

    flynbuick Guest

    Fortunately, this conspiracy theory has likewise been discredited.


    http://www.snopes.com/medical/disease/cdcwhistleblower.asp
     
  15. jpete

    jpete Well-Known Member

    Who snopes Snopes?
     
  16. DrBuick

    DrBuick Platinum Level Contributor

    One thing to consider, Jim, is that Big Pharma spends more money on advertizing than any other industry. This makes it very hard for the news media to write or say anything against Big Pharma. Big Pharma controls the purse strings. Mr Rockerfeller intimidated the medical schools over 100 years ago to stop teaching anything about nutrition because it competes with pharmaceuticals. This is why MDs in general don't know anything but surgery, drugs and radiation. They aren't taught anything about toxins, dentistry, or nutrition.

    Every day I see my patients have near miraculous recoveries when we remove their toxic dentistry and get them on good nutrition so their bodies can detox. If all dentists learned how to properly remove mercury amalgam fillings, stopped doing root canals, stopped placing nickle containing crowns and titanium/aluminum implants and the food industry stopped feeding us GMO foods, eliminated hydrogenated fats and devitalized foods, then the medical industry and Big Pharma would dry up. People with non toxic mouths and eating a nutritious diet don't need any man made chemical toxic drugs.

    I personally don't even have a doctor and I'm 60.
     
  17. CJay

    CJay Supercar owner Staff Member

    Well said Doc! :gp:
     
  18. kick71

    kick71 Mike

    I see you edited your post some from when it first hit, thanks.

    I'm sorry about your wife, I wish you her and your family all the best, and you get the best medical care you can.

    I hear what your are saying about evidence and I know its all over but I don't think you see my point which is ok . I won't go on more since this is very personal to you. I guess we agree to disagree.

    Dosent make sense on a Buick forum maybe one day we can meet and discuss over Buicks and a beer and discuss more.
     
  19. buicksstage1

    buicksstage1 Well-Known Member

    All I did was correct spelling and fix wording I suck at putting thoughts on the screen. It is OK Mike, we can agree, disagree or meet in the middle right or wrong. But Snopes??? its like CNN neither are much good and I gave real facts like it or not. I am no Dr and all I can tell you is what we have gone through and learned. I am sorry but I can't buy what these very rich are selling here. No matter what I post here in support of my beliefs and what we have learned bout vaccines, Dr's, pharmaceutical company's, even though its very real some can't and won't except it even when I link the smoking gun. I hope you never find your self in this spot. When you screw with nature its a crap shoot.
     
  20. buicksstage1

    buicksstage1 Well-Known Member

    Man I wish there was a hell of a lot more of you! Merry Christmas Dr sadly they don't make them like you anymore I sure hope you have been taking the time to teach others! :TU:
     
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