flu shot?

That alleged link has been rejected:



http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Concerns/Autism/Index.html


http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Concerns/Autism/antigens.html

 

If the body's own immune system was all that great without assistance, there would have been no historical smallpox, yellow fever or polio epidemics. Those diseases were wiped out in the United States only by the use of vaccines. Two of those vaccine programs were mandatory which is the main reason those diseases were eradicated.

 

Whenever I see CDC it makes Me think of this:bglasses:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUAvTn3uz5w

 

Nobody wiped them out they are on the rise again just with new names:eek2: The reason We live longer has more to do with the fact that we refrigerate are food and bathe more than bimonthly.ou:

 

Small pox is like chicken pox. If you get it and survive, you don't get it again. If both your parents were exposed, you have some built in immunity. That's why Europeans so easily spread it to all the natives they encountered. There was no natural immunity.

While there is a yellow fever vaccine, it isn't routinely given so I'm not sure it can be given credit for eradicating the disease.

Polio is the same way. Getting it, and allowing your body to deal with it prevents you from ever getting it.

http://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/timelines/polio

Vaccines in general, despite the "herd immunity" rally cry, make the population weaker, not stronger. The only thing vaccines do is force you to keep taking vaccines. Big Pharma are drug pushers in suits after all.

 

Do you really think the government is going to admit to screwing up? They are pushing vaccines for the rich friends.

Google "vaccines linked to autoimmune disease lawsuits" and then tell me its all good.
https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourcei...linked+to+autoimmune+disease+lawsuits&spell=1

You are playing Russian roulette.

 

Its long but if you take the time to read this your eyes will be opened wide. It real is ALL about making money no different the any other drug out there.

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org...us-intellectual-dishonesty-at-its-most-naked/

 

We all hate to disappoint all the government conspiracy theorists, but these conclusions are based on private studies generally made by the best medical institutions internationally. The CDC publishes advisories based on those private studies.

 

Really Jim? Here is one statement from the very first link I posted "The documents obtained from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) under the provisions of the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) detail 26 new deaths reported to the government following HPV vaccination between September 1, 2010 and September 15, 2011. That's 26 reported deaths of young, previously healthy, girls after Gardasil vaccination in just one year."

Surely all those people can't be lying. They report what they want to record and report. No one wants to lose money on there investments and going to court. There sure is conspiracy's. Way too many people screwing with Nature that don't really know Jack about it. It boils down to power, politic's and $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

 

I'm glad you edited your original post to specify America. I would have replied with how many Europeans lived in total squalor just a couple of centuries ago with open sewers running along the streets where they resided. That alone, in and of itself, would (and did) generate plenty of opportunity for diseases and viruses to flourish. Couple this with both deplorable living conditions and sanitation, and the situation becomes exacerbated exponentially.

All throughout history, humankind has faced many diseases, viruses and other afflictions. Some consider this to be simply sorting out the weak from the strong, as well as allowing survivors to build immunity for the future. Crude, but very effective for many millennia. Then science and our insatiable appetite for *improving* ourselves happens along, and upsets the natural selection.

I do have childhood memories of mandatory vaccinations for polio and one or two other diseases during my elementary school days when those afflictions were more common. It is very simple for a government to obtain a high percentage of vaccine compliance by manipulating the populace into believing they would not survive any sort of pandemic with all their faculties intact.

Now who remembers Thalidomide?? http://www.thalidomide.ca/the-canadian-tragedy/

It was not a vaccine per se, rather a "wonder drug" to assist pregnant women with morning sickness. Unfortunately, Canada was about the last country to ban its use. Just another example of how poorly some pharmaceuticals are vetted for human consumption.

Interestingly enough though, Thalidomide has found a potential new use as a cancer fighting drug. One wonders if the original research and testing was rushed to get the drug to market for its original purpose.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thalidomide

Nevertheless, I consider this subject to reside within the "third rail" of hot button topics. It has generated elevated emotional responses from both sides. I can respect yours, and the other pro opinions, as long as there is reciprocity for mine. :TU: Neither one of us will change the others opinion.

Let's keep this discussion civil folks. :beers2:

 

shingles vaccine 51% effective
I just saw on a news program.

And, I found this on a google search;

http://www.immunize.org/askexperts/experts_zos.asp

51% reduction and less severe when shingles did occur.

to me that means;
49% of vaccine recipients got shingles .


And that brings a question to my mind;
How many of the 51% receiving the vaccine that didn't get shingles, would have not gotten shingles without the vaccine?

in other words, shingles vaccine vs. no shingles vaccine,
the difference in chances of getting shingles is almost immeasurable...

 

And you hit the nail right on the head. There is plenty of scientific support that says this exactly. Its not that those 51% came in contact and the vaccine worked, all 51% might have NEVER came in contact. BUT someone got paid for 100% of those vaccine shots. That is why they want to sell vaccines to EVERYONE instead of a med that is given at point of illness. WAY more money to be made, not to mention screwing with the human body in ways that should never never happen. They are bypassing lab rats etc and going straight to us.

 

Absolutely.
There was a time when I thought I needed to persuade all to go along with me.
I don't think that way anymore.

 

An interesting thing about these types of trials is;
The participants not only get the vaccine (or placebo) for free, they get paid to participate.

Several years ago, I had chronic bronchitis. On three different occasions, my doctor had me participate in an anti-biotic trial.
Each trial, I got meds for free and $200 for participating. I never knew if I got the placebo or the real stuff...

Later, my doctor diagnosed the bronchitis as a symptom of systemic gout. With the gout treatment, no more bronchitis.
Bronchitis; ain't nobody got time for that!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE8wjGXGRnc

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There is a ton of new found money in being a cultist, pseudoscience anti-vaccine pusher, don't kid yourself. So many of them do their "google" search and now they are an expert and push it all over "google". Thats not science.
i prefer to read research of folks trained in endocrinology, virology or immunology and have a vetted research background. Thats the beauty of science when done by real professionals in a peer to peer review fashion real answers are found its not usually on "google"

 

:laugh: By chance is your profession related to this topic? Judging by your statement it must be. Talk about pushing your beliefs.........

 

The Doctor I heard on TV was encouraging folks to be immunized.
The website I posted a link to, is a pro-immunization organization.
Each of them were touting a 51% success rate for shingles vaccine as a reason to get immunized against shingles.

A vaccine with a 51% success rate. I'm just as well off not getting the shot ( IF, I was so inclined...)

And, your post brings a question to my mind; Where do those of us that do not have peers in those groups get our information?