Thank you for your efforts Jim! I for one, appreciate it. I am sure there will be another chance to run with the Hemi's. When that happens, I am sure that any issues will be worked out. Thanks again for stepping up to meet the challenge. Regards, John. :TU:
496??? Pardon my ignorance if I am incorrect, but back in the day, wasn't it a 425 Hemi vs. 455 Stage 1? What's with the 496?? Beautiful cars, btw. Cannot wait to try out a 455 for the 1st time after o somehow come up with money for one. :beer
One more note . Even though the Hemi was faster , It cannot even think of having the class that that beautiful Buick has . While JR may not have been the fastest that day he went fast with class ! Lots of it . I hope to see this one in person soon !
It was a 426 Hemi back in the day, 4.25 bore by 3.75 stroke. I don't know what the size of Dudek's Hemi was. Congrats to all the racers for a fine showing that should make anyone proud. Gotta love the that Buick monster torque! Just so you folks know, The SS/A and SS/AA Hemi cars weigh in at around 3200 pounds, have less than 440 cubic inches, have high compression, and run 8.50's. I doubt Dudeks car had a 496 13.5:1 Hemi. He would have been in the 9's since his car only weighs 3725 with driver. My car runs mid 11's and weighs the same so I'm guessing he's pushing about 700hp since my Iron headed 440 makes about 575.
I think Dave will be into the 9's next time around. This is his first year out with this car. With more time his E.T. will drop. The Road Runner is his new aquisition since selling the Challenger last fall. I would love to see what the car could do if he could get his reaction time down a little. :3gears: May be a while though since regular F.A.S.T. races don't allow slicks. :laugh: Patrick
Didnt his dad run the RR for years before Dave "acquired" it? BTW, tell us what reaction time has to do with the et the car ran? I want to learn something new.
Doh! On another note, he may have been shallow staging so he could get better e.t.'s, hence the bad reaction times.
Doh! I get a kick out of the rivalry that eminates from these contests! Its, funny,,,,,,,, I am a mopar guy, but can definatelly appreciate a good looking and running example of any other brand. My perception of all this is pretty simple. There hasn't been a stock hemi or buick like those raced built in 37 years? There is absolutely no way to say which is faster at this point in time, too much has changed. Stock production engines,drivelines etc are all gone, so any way to measure performance went with them. One thing is obvious. The Mopar Hemi was a race engine detuned for street use. The buick was a performance motor built under the constraints of the bean counters and what they were willing to pay for. I say nice job on the buick, they did a masterful job with what they were allowed to use. The mopar gets high marks for producing a design that is the most powerfull design engine in all of racing today. I have allways looked at the buick camp as one with some real class, based on looks and street performance. It is another set of standards. The mopars have a differant appeal, some based on the body styles of the Challengers, and chargers, some on the lowbuck -down and dirty roadrunner concept. Light, cheap, and fast. All in all, it makes both brands winners, and i drool over either whenever we go to a car show.vGotta love those muscle cars!!!!!!! Greg
True, but I doubt it. I'm sure he wanted to "get there" first! Plus his runs against the Buick werent his quickest of the day. In looking at the video, courtesy staging is not in Daves game because he double bulbed the Buick guy both passes!! Its a wonder the auto stage didnt get the Buick guys!! View it here! http://media.putfile.com/FAST-Hemi-vs-Buick-vs-Vette-Shootout HEMICAR must have shallow staged on the 10.27 pass!
Are you sure about that? He would have to, to compete against these guys. A bone stock Hemi would'nt have a snowballs chance in Hell. As an example- Wayne Nelson's Corvette was a 511 cube stroker that was bored .125 over, Dragon Slayer crank, and 14.3-1 compression. Ralph Barbagallo 70 Plymouth runs a stroked 484 cube Hemi Greg Gessler's 72 GS runs a 493 cubic inch stroker The only thing "stock" about these race cars in disguise is their appearance.
That car is not new to the stock appearing scene,its very seasoned.it is almost 500ci. but who says the buick is'nt stroked.as jr stated in otherwords earlier in this tread its not the lack of power from the gs,it was the wrong converter,wich trust me can rob an easy 5 mph on the top.basically the car needed to be run and dialed in before this event even took place and it prob would have performed up there w the hemi.
I stand corrected then, I haven't seen the article or the video, I don't know the FAST rules, but I would expect more out of it since back in 1996 when Hot Rod had the Big Block Shootout, Chapmans Coronet had 4.10 gears, weighed 3600lbs, had a 9.8:1 wedge, was 498ci, ran pump gas and did a 9.97 first pass off the trailer at Bakersfield. It still runs pretty damn good though compared to what I have.
Ok, I guess I haven't been paying attention and made some assumptions! My apologies. I didn't know they were allowed to stroke them that big!
I like a man who admits when he made a mistake. Most people can't admit it and just keep digging a hole until they bury themselves. You Mopar guys have class! :TU: Not to mention, a fast car. But, just like I thought when I first heard about this race. It proves nothing other than what race cars can do. Nothing stock here so it shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence with the race that took place decades ago. We all know that Buicks are limited when built for racing. They did a great job for what they were originally intended for.
Congrats to all 3 participants! I was there, they put on a GREAT show! :beer Regarding any comparison between F.A.S.T. cars and SuperStock cars, they are completely different animals. Here are just a few of the differences. SS cars - custom built intakes, open headers, no stroker cranks, limited cam lift, unlimited cam duration. F.A.S.T. cars - factory correct intakes, factory correct exhaust manifolds, maximum 2.5" exhaust exiting in the correct location with mufflers, no limit on stroke within oem block, no limit on cams except for a stock sounding idle. Although this shootout was an exception, FAST cars normaly run on repop G-70 or G60 bias ply tires, vs big slicks for the SS cars.
