The picture of those perfectly stamped numbers is a huge one to me. That is 100% deception plain and simple. You stamped those numbers with the soul intention of bullshi**ing people. That cannot be argued AT ALL.
Normally the Muncie numbers would be above that- like P0C03B. They ALL had the Muncie numbers. Not all came with the VIN stamped
Jason- I have seen partial VIN's on different locations on Muncies. I do agree on the Muncie date code stamps.
They arrest people and put them in jail for forging Gucci, Prada, Rolex etc. So why does anyone think that forging paperwork and #s on a vehicle is any different.
Amen. Faked to the tune of 325,000 dollars. Somebody should be in serious legal trouble on this one big time. Complete bs if that doesn't happen.
Same reason this company is in business? Now you can get perfectly aged original reproduction. They claim they use a state of the art aging process is it a stretch to think they used the same process to fake other makes? http://www.oldchevydocumentation.com/
I would think that a good restorer could tell that those stampings are fresh....someone should be held accountable.
I agree 100%. I am sure BJ has more important things to track down but you would think for their own integrity they would follow up on this also. Their name was on the sale. Probably small fish to them though. Someone has to pay for the deliberate deception. You can get millions for placing hot coffee in your lap when you know the coffee will be hot. This has obvious intent of deception. Fry the liars. :blast:
It shouldn't be treated any differently, but sure seems like it is. Fraud is fraud. That seems wrong on so many levels. Why would you have these aged & distressed copies produced for your car if you weren't intending on being deceptive in some manner? It's one thing to have a reproduced window sticker etc. made. But when you go as far as making it look 40 years old, the only reason to do so is to fool people.
if youre referring to the mcdonalds coffee lawsuit dont believe the media hype that woman was severely scarred http://www.hotcoffeethemovie.com/Default.asp
Andy is 110% correct with the McD's lawsuit - the lady was in the right, plus her payout was reduced. Anyway, the Olds is news to me, but where did you hear about the fraud? The links you've posted don't tell the story.
So you believe the desctiption in the Scottdale auction that this car has the original numbers matching "born with" drivetrain as it was advertised to have?
The descriptions in any auction are from the owner/seller. The auction houses are not liable for anything fraudulent. Otherwise, I am not knowledgable about the car to have an opinion whether the description of this car true or not. All I know is that the restoration shop is reputable.
I did meet a guy from either n/e Ohio or western PA who knew a guy who made legit looking "aged" window sticker reproductions. Something about spilling coffee and cream and letting it bake in hot oven or something to get that weathered paper look. If you look at advertisements for both Mecum and B-J, it says auction house is not responsible for legitimacy of the cars or authenticating owner's claims and or documents. When spending that type of cash, why not just send an expert and pay them to look over the car to make sure its authentic and legit. Common sense but apparently not to others.
I used to put the Rear Axle carriers on the Line. My Buddy was next running the Code Stamp. We were stoned every day. A lot cheaper back then tho. So dont rely on the stamp on the axle tube. '73-75? Somehow I dont remember. PONCH
