Don't worry about it. It happens to us all one time or another. In the spirit of my tirade above, all we can do is work hard to research the media we are bombarded with before drawing conclusions. I think a lot of people don't realize how much work it takes to filter through things these days because many of us are lazy at time (myself included). Cheers, :beers2: Devon.
Not what i was taught in the academy for Law Enforcement. This came right from an instructor who was a martial arts instructor and a Sgt. at the jail where we were training at. Any knowledge of fighting/combat or even self defense can be considered a weapon in the eyes of the law. This means if any Joe Smoe gets in an altercation with lets say a black belt martial arts champion and a physical fight ensues, that if Joe Smoe fears for his life then he may use a firearm to self defense. Same as any object used, any object used in a manner not designed for its purpose can be considered a assault weapon. This could be a pen, pencil, a stick, a water bottle, a rock, etc. So if the perp used anything in a life threating manner than using a firearm in self defense can and usually is justified.
What are you talking about? Zimmerman followed Martin solely for the purpose of "watching" him so he wouldn't get a way before the cops got there. MARTIN CONFRONTED ZIMMERMAN. it is saddening that some still deny the outcome of a jury of women who heard the whole trial and all of the evidence and then deliberated on this evidence and reached a unanimous decision. That jury of apparently unsympathetic mothers must have all been racist too?
Adam, you're still falling deeper into the media trap. It doesn't matter what they say, or what Zimmerman said. Video might help, but there's none of the event for us to ponder so far. Do you realize that your statement "Zimmerman followed Martin solely for the purpose of "watching" him" is your own viewpoint based on what you know via media? If you knew the man or was standing next to him that day, it would be different. That's not the case and you need to grasp this! Realize an important thing...none of us were there, none of know the facts. All I can keep doing is to try to urge everyone that the media bombardment has given us nothing with which to draw any kind of conclusion. Look, these crimes happen often in Flint and Detroit in my state. Chicago, Miami, name any city. If you were interested in knowing about the crimes there and how their judicial systems were dealing with them, would you go out of your way to learn more about them, or sit and watch the sensational ones on the TV or the internet between walking the dog, having dinner? Again, you and I know little or NO FACTS. Stop relying on your TV or internet news. Devon P.S. Still never going to say who was wrong or right. I don't have enough info. The point is the jury didn't have to worry about my feelings, or theirs either... only the law.
if hes on my dads property chasing me around i would either way. but this is why i dont live in gated community cause even if its yours its not. ---------- Post added at 05:59 AM ---------- Previous post was at 05:52 AM ---------- well if your in my or my dads front yard following me it isnt going to happen long lets put it that way but again i live out in the sticks so its kinda different. ---------- Post added at 06:03 AM ---------- Previous post was at 05:59 AM ---------- i dont see how. also the drug dealer thing up there yeah tm was pos im not saying he wasnt and dgaf that he is dead even kinda glad he is. but gz was out looking for a address when he confronted him not following him come on. that said i didnt want to see the guy go to jail either. i merely want to state if gz had not pretended to be community popo his dumb a$$ wouldnt have had to go to court in the 1st place.
the 911 operator asked him to stay in the car. If he had stayed in the car nothing would have happened I'm not second guessing the jury. It was up to the prosecution to prove the case they brought. They failed to do that I'm second guessing what happened the night in question I'm not defending either one's actions. Nor am i taking sides. I'm just saying Whatever Zimmerman might have done wrong, he did right calling the police. It is known that Martin had and was using a cell phone. If Martin had used it to call police, the fight and shooting might not have happened.... Had both Martin and Zimmerman been on the phone,The police might have been able to stop the confrontation before it happened.....
You've changed the subject. Your original quote was There is no law in the 50 states, Federal, State or locally that requires such a thing. It's the same horsehockey that promoters used to use for fight marketing "His hands are registered as lethal weapons...". What a "fight" trained person faces in a court is a completely different subject...the prosecution, having found that a person was "trained", will do everything in its power to prove that the defendant was trained not just to hurt a person, but even that they were trained for restraint and that they should have known better, thus guilty of a crime in which said skills were used. The notion that somehow a person must warn another of his/her "skills" before a potential confrontation to somehow avoid litigation is where I'm calling BS, unless you can quote some obscure local code where you live. Can you see the difference between your original statement and your later one? Devon
So Zimmerman should sit like a helpless marque and wait for the authorities because they are the only folks qualified to determine suspicious activity or a wrongdoing? Then what is the purpose of neighborhood watch? To look out your windows while your neighbor is being done wrong and the police are 15 min + away? He has no right to follow and politely ask a stranger in his own neighborhood what he is doing there? Martin was the aggressor, and he lost his life because of it; he never gave Zimmerman the chance to ask him anything, instead he attacked him for what reason? Following him on the sidewalk? Using deadly force in self-defense is a right in many states; in some it is a right in order to protect property at well. We will have a much more polite society if that is the case.
http://youtu.be/dEpCnpnHODI part one as shot by the police http://youtu.be/KxmO9hXHC_o part 2 even the cops think he did the right thing......until politics got involved. these were done the next day after the shooting
ive seen that. still had he not followed him around he wouldnt have had to deal with this. guilty of murder or something no just being stupid.
If the guy was on neighborhood watch (he is a volunteer) He was more likely looking after his best interests. After all he did follow TM then lost him. Then was headed back to meet the officer when TM attacked him. Self defense has never been so clear.
Some of you guys who think it was Zimmermans fault fell for NBC's bull. The doctored the audio. They told Zimmerman to back off and he did. Trevon circled back and ambushed him. It was a rightful shoot. If you think that anyone should lay there and take that beeating for any reason then shame on you.
The jury found him not guilty, because of many (all) of the things you have pointed out. Martin absolutely ambushed Zimmerman. What neighbor of Zimmerman or Martin was being wronged? The 911 operator was trying to prevent just such an occurrence when she asked Zimmerman not get out of the truck. (He may have already been out of the truck) Martin also could have diffused the situation by calling the cops , or just gone home instead of laying in wait for Zimmerman Zimmerman was found not guilty. But, that doesn't mean he did Everything right. Martin made some bad choices. Were the choices he made bad enough that he should've died? The bad choices of both led to the death ..... Had either or both men made better choices; We might have never heard of either of them. Bad choices on both parties' led to a bad outcome. there are no winners in this story
Zimmerman was right in defending himself given the circumstances he found himself in. But, those circumstances were due to choices both men made. Martin made bad choices and paid with his life. Had Zimmerman stayed in the truck, Martin would not have been able to ambush him. Martin set a trap for Zimmerman. Zimmerman walked right into that trap. For setting the trap, Martin paid with his life For walking into the trap Zimmerman will pay for the rest of his life. There are no winners in this story.
No doubt in my mind Zimmerman instigated the whole thing.But when Martin attacked him it became a whole new ballgame.Zimmerman is an idiot that shouldn't have a firearm but according to Fl law he is innocent of murder.
This case is hand picked by the media so everyone will talk about it. The country is going to s--t and know is talking about 5$gas 14 millon people with no jobs 17 trillon in the red health care rip-off IRS spying on us leave our men to dye in battle we have become a country of fools.ou:
Regardless of how they got to the point of the fight... if someone was on top of you beating you in the face, and you feared for your life... you'd lay there and take it? I for one would want to be the one to walk away from that situation
