Aluminum Cylinder Head And Single-Plane Intake List

another point on the intake, make it with enough meat to be able to put a whipple or bds blower on it. :Smarty:

 

I believe the problem from getting this done is the Beer companys have not wanted us to get a good intake. They know if we get a good intake we will stop sitting around drinking beer and taking about it. :beer

 

math

so the $25,000 thing works out to about $275 each considering shipping , lets say $300 to be safe . is that r&d and flow testing etc being done by someone knowledgable and familiar with buick engines ? - nothing against rich potter - just not familiar with his operation . not sure how many similarities there are between the v6 and 350 . hey - my wallets out and burnin' ! del

 

Just can't get off the blower idea can you John ? You mentioned it on the phone when we talked last time too HAHA :laugh:

 

dont ya just love it when you get more mind boggling ideas from me than you really need........... :laugh: when are back from vacation???

i have 2 situations about this stuff.

a) if its available or makeable, i will spend my monies on buicks
b) if its available, i will spend my monies on antiques and art for my retirement

currently, part b is getting more attention.


gonna make intakes.....lets stop screwing around and do it. sign me up for 2. carb and blower.

john

 

Back to work on Monday for me. Let me get settled in and I will give you a call. My dime this time, maybe Thursday ???

Some serious planning needs to go down with this. IF its gonna be done as a team. I ain't gonna just go tossing money down a rathole. Been there, done that, won't get suckered again ! I'm watching, 2 more than likely here too(depending on who does it), 1 for spray, 1 for turbos.

 

Does any one know what the intake is that was using the adaptor spacers?
Also how thick is the spacers?
Dan

 

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WOW!! I have to admit, I didn't see this coming. I feel pretty stupid now. ou: This is exactly why no one will ever make heads for the 350 Buick. :spank: And not even one reply from someone that wants heads! o No: There's already two, dos, 2, II,
dos, deux, due, zwei, twee, dois aftermarket manifolds out there. Testing has showed them to give similar power to stock on the dyno. Why is that? What do you think a great intake is going to do bolted to stock heads? Sure, if you already have a set of ported heads you need a better intake. I'd rather spend my money on heads that flow out of the box and save weight. Hell, it doesnt take $25,000 to weld up an intake. I'm pretty sure a redesigned head could make more power out of the box than a ported iron head. You can also run more compression with an aluminum head. A buick 350 would benefit a helluva lot more from a good flowing set of heads than a bigass honkin intake alone any day.

I already made the decision to go with a 455 but if the 350 heads happened I would have changed my mind. Anyone want to guess if a magnet will stick to the heads on my future 455?

 

DO NOT !!!!!!!! feel this way. Most people that know me, know, I will back anyones opinion no matter if it differs from mine. We are all entitled to that.

Don't be so sure that noone will make heads. I am quite sure there are works underway out there already !

Ummmmmmmm yea I did. First 2 sentances of the second paragraph in my longer post I said I wanted them.

I can't answer "why" they make the same power as a stock one. Anything I would say would be speculation. But I can say they do ONLY make the same power as a stock one. Thus making them useless to some folks that want to push these motors over the edge in the hp dept.

It has been proven twice now that the intakes become the limiting factors in motors over 500 hp. JB showed us that on Robs motor and now on Phils. And those were with heads that only flowed into the 270-280 range.

YUP I agree totally ! New heads would most definately COULD make more power outa the box over the irons we have now. BUT as we have already seen in the above listed scenarios, if they flow over 280, once again, the INTAKE would be the limiting factor.

I will say once again. YES I would like heads now too. But I feel the greater good would be more happy with a good intake. The intakes we have available to us right now ARE limiting what we can do. It is MY opinion that we need to start with the intake and see where we end up then. Using the iron heads first.

As I sit here I can think of a handful(yourself included obviously) of folks that would pop for heads were they available to us. But that list grows quite rapidly when you start talking intakes instead. There are a LOT of guys out there on the streets that would take a intake today, were it a proven part. My stance on the intake.........I would be more than willing to try the experimental piece if there was one out there. Because I feel it is more "needed" at this specific time. And like I stated before, for the greater number of people.

My opinion, thats all. I ain't gonna speak for anyone else !!!

 

dave,

i think the mailtrucks in our area have a/c..............

john

 

I know my motor could use more intake. :TU:

 

I would like heads and intake too, but probably like many of us my project is a year or two away from putting the engine together. Right now I'm keeping 2 350's and a 455 in my back pocket to see what develops. Certianly for my 64 Skylark project a 350 is going to be an easier fit with all the power I'll need.
Bruce

 

I agree that a set of Alum. heads would be ideal, but as Dave has pointed out, I don't think enough people would be willing (or have the funds) to get the #'s we'd need to be taken serious by a manufacturer.

The intake however, I think we can. I'm in for two assuming we'd have the option or a single/dual plane and or a Supercharger/ Nitrous set up.

I thought the idea of collectively putting our money into a bank account to get all of this started was great. I'm certainly not the person to head up something like this, but if a reputable board memeber were to be interested in taking control of this project I'd have my cheque in the mail the next business day.

 

John,

Man made air is ok sometimes. But the clearest thinking comes when you have a nice breeze blowing across your face, and its quiet.

 

Bill

any word on the magazine article on that +1000hp turbo motor your friend built?

is your buddy showing any interest in doing more Buick stuff or are you the primary spearhead for his Buick operations?

 

I would be interested in heading this thing up. There already is stuff in the works for the 350. I believe that collectively, we could bring it about somewhat faster. It's not a bad idea to set up an account, the money would not go to the manufacturer until after the fact.
Here's the thing guys, It takes roughly $20000 to $25000 to do pattern work and stuff for an intake manifold. Years ago when we did the S- divider for Poston, it was $10,000 each per manifold. Back in those days , Jim Poston spent zero money on any R&D or testing for the product, all testing that got done was done out of my pocket and never reimbursed, some changes needed to be made, but he would not pay for them, he wanted me to do that.
Since then, I now have flow bench and dyno at my disposal, so the testing part is taken care of, learned a thing or two over the years as well.
I agree, I think an intake would be the first step, more people would be likely to get behind that in the beginning. The sources to do the project are there. There is more than 1 source.
A single plane intake is what is needed, no need to do a dual plane, that already exists. Even if heads came out right now, there is no intake that would take advantage of them . I have already proved the 350 can make good power with the iron heads, have also proved a better intake is needed.
Jim Burek P.A.E. ENTERPRISES

 

I ran a 125 shot of Nitrous. That was with a dual plane intake. I could use a single plane Intake. Think maybe I could break a 10.99 with another 75 more shot? I have Forged pistons from TA circa 1994. My heads only flow 235 and 176. I had 395 hp with a TA 510 cam & 10.6 comp. I changed to a smaller cam since then. 507-502 lift 230-245@50 116. My times were with the smaller cam. I ran 13.60 with the 510 cam.

 

How about Alum Heads, Single Plane Intake, with ports for Fuel Injection, ports for Nitrous also. Or be like everybody else and go buy a 455. Don't forget the girdle for the bottom to make max HP. 350 block doesn't need one. I can not see these heads and intake being shelved. Kind of stupid isn't it? This motor can make a lot of power and the big manufactures don't want to get in on it. I ran an 11.87 on Nitrous and broke the universal and then broke the driveshaft in half. Hello, sounds like horsepower to me. :Brow:

 

Ok Jim, lets throw this on the fire and see if it cooks. After our phone call I understand a lot more about this process. AND I really like the idea of holding the money in a bank account until product is produced for us. If your gonna broker this deal with the manufacturers, you tell whomever we aren't looking for some $175 dollar Chevy spin off. We want a nice, high end, single plane, with maybe some nitrous/fuel injection bosses cast in, intake. Looking around at some of the better Chevy/Ford stuff I am thinking we're gonna end up in the $350 range for one. And just guessing I am gonna say we need at least 50 manifold commitments to make some waves. With that being said(guessed), I will say right now publically............I WILL committ to 2 intakes right now. If and when you need it let me know and I will call you up with my credit card info.

So who else is in ? If we really want to get something moving, we gotta start a push to get things done. The idea is out to secure the funds in a bank account to protect them. LOVIN' that !!! No intakes, no money sent. If it all goes belly up, our funds can be returned in full to us out of this account. If they won't listen to our single voices about this, they damn sure will listen to our money sitting in an account waiting to be spent.

The time for talking is over, now, lets get serious..................... :blast: . 50 - my 2 leaves 48. Next ????

 

I'm in for atleast one. Two if there will be an option for nitrous or fuel injection bosses.

I've got my cheque book in hand. Please don't make me spend this $$$ at Home Depot.

Jim,

Would you mind telling us about the process for such a task? I know I'm pretty clueless, although I can make a lot of asumptions that would probably only leed me to an unrealistic time frame for completion.

I'm curious how something like this comes together and believe that if everyone is aware of the process we are less likely to have people wanting their money back after 3 months because their manifold hasn't been delivered yet.