Two Police Officers Executed in NYC

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  1. Smokey15

    Smokey15 So old that I use AARP bolts.

    How do all the protesters get time off from work, and the money, to travel so they can be on location? I'd like to know just how many of them live off us, the taxpayers? So we pay them to destroy the property of innocent people who are working hard to pay taxes so they can do the damage they do?
     
  2. Lebowski

    Lebowski Mark it 8, Dude...

    There was no need to shoot that 350 pound guy with a knife. They could have tazed him instead. Those cops should be charged with murder. If I was related to him I would be furious....
     
  3. gsx678

    gsx678 Well-Known Member

    I am not sure if you have any law enforcement experience or not but, If you pay attention to the video the cops did use a tazer.
    The suspect left the officers no choice but to shoot for their own safety and the possible safety of others in the area.
    The officers shot the suspect as many times as they needed to to "Stop" the suspect.
    I did not see any shots fired after the suspect was down. Maybe I missed it.
    To make a statement about the cops involved being charged with murder... REALLY? when not being in their shoes is completely foolish.
    Actually it is quite ignorant to say something like that.
    Until people put on a uniform and have their life threatened they need to just stick to what they know.
    Opinions are just that. I am sure we have heard the old saying "opinions are like a**Holes and everyone has one".
    Do a shift in a cops shoes, Stand in the middle of a protest when you have 100 to 200 protesters for 1 cop calling you racist and saying you should be killed and then you can earn the right to comment on what should have been done or the way it should have been handled.
    How many times have you been shot at or threatened with a knife?
    I am not trying to be disrespectful I am just stating my "Opinion" it just happens to be based on personal experience and fact.
    Bottom line. If the suspect would have dropped the knife when he was first instructed to do so he would not have been shot. PERIOD!



     
  4. gsx678

    gsx678 Well-Known Member

    Here in Cleveland Ohio a group of college kids decided to protest and miss exams at their college.
    Then when the time came they were told the could not make up the tests and they cried foul.
    It is called personal responsibility for your actions....


     
  5. buicksstage1

    buicksstage1 Well-Known Member

    Well said Brian, its kinda like the old saying goes, if you fight with the bull you will get the horn. There is no excise for breaking the law. How about the cops every where do a walk out for a couple days, the opportunist will be out looting while all the law abiding people stay home protecting there stuff. Here is a good video that hits the nail on the head and also supports what Jim is saying about the family Dynamics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nI0-mSLLaE
     
  6. 442w30

    442w30 Well-Known Member

    If that's the case, why are people here blaming anyone other than the person who pulled the trigger?
     
  7. CJay

    CJay Supercar owner Staff Member

    Because IMO, they incited it by their actions.

    I believe that you should be licensed to exercise your first amendment rights. The states should make it a "may issue" license. You should be fingerprinted, a federal background check should be made and regular background checks thereafter. If you break the law in any way or net deemed to be of good moral character, the license will be revoked. If you have any record, or not deemed to be of good moral character, the license will not be issued. Just because its a constitutional right, doesn't mean you should be able to exercise it without a license
     
  8. gsx678

    gsx678 Well-Known Member

    Watch TV listen and to music today and honestly for the last several years and it is easy to see that society is doing a good job of promoting violence and the "Thug Life", "No personal responsibility" theme.
    The person that pulled the trigger did a job that MOST people do not want or will not do.
    We could always go the whole "Anarchy" route. That way we could get rid of all those "Type" of people.
    Maybe with any luck you or your family and friends will not fall into someones "Type" of people category and you will get to live a happy life.
     
  9. 442w30

    442w30 Well-Known Member

    So does that mean the U.S. "incited" a group of Muslim extremists to fly a plane into some buildings downtown?

    Sorry, but we're all grown adults, and I think we owe it to ourselves to think logically and objectively. Suggesting that the mayor or even the President is responsible is laughable. The cops need to be responsible for their own actions as well as to stop playing like kids against the mayor and straighten up their house, and the killer needs to be given responsibility for his actions.

    Is this what the 1960s was like?:grin:
     
  10. CJay

    CJay Supercar owner Staff Member

    Still need to repeal the first amendment.
     
  11. buicksstage1

    buicksstage1 Well-Known Member

    Because Obama, Holder, Mayor De Blasio, Sharpton, Jackson, all incited this with their actions.

    Obama, Holder, Mayor De Blasio are elected to represent ALL the people not for there own personal gains etc.

    What kind of a message are you sending when you send out white house aids to the funeral of a law breaking thug? They under minded the process before it even got started.
     
  12. BWINN519

    BWINN519 Big B

    Seems, like you just determine, to blame some sort of government official or political activist, for this one "crazy nut-ball actions" ?
     
  13. Lebowski

    Lebowski Mark it 8, Dude...

    You are completely clueless. I was in law enforcement for several years and I would NEVER have shot that guy in that situation. He was not a threat to anyone but himself. He didn't charge them or throw anything at them and he could have been disarmed if they had been a little more patient. They are a disgrace to their profession.... :blast:
     
  14. 442w30

    442w30 Well-Known Member

    That's pretty ridiculous, not to mention obvious that these guys have been talking points on cable TV for the past few days. Yet here we are, discussing a political item on a site that eschews politics. How many more times will I get to see people complain about the media baiting the public when what you've written clearly shows you've taken the bait?

    These "personal responsibility" guys need to get their act together and make up your minds in the blame game...

    Can you tell me what politician doesn't operate for personal gain?

    And can you tell me how the above have acted for personal gain?

    I'll save you the trouble - it's just political rhetoric.

    If you haven't seen the news, the hubbub was a lot bigger than a kid who was shot by the cops - it was about institutional racism and a system stacked against a segment of the population. Regardless of what you think happened with the kid, you can't deny the latter. Picking sides and "hoping" that one side will win and another will lose does not give justice any opportunity - it's almost as reckless as destroying one's neighborhood, which we should agree was likely committed by ill-bred opportunists and not by the people who are attempting to make a valid point.

    And now, all of a sudden, we need a thread about a cop being assassinated? Yeah, we're in tense times, but it's not the end of the world - it's business as usual.
     
  15. gsman

    gsman '67 GS 400

    Perhaps if people stop breaking the law, fewer will get shot?
     
  16. buicksstage1

    buicksstage1 Well-Known Member

    Then you are either blind to where and how this has all evolved or its going over your head. If 4 people go to a store to rob it, lets keep in mind that they had no intent on killing anyone but things get ugly and 1 out of the 4 guys had a gun and he shoots and kills the clerk do all 4 go down for murder? Or just the guy that pulled the trigger? Obama, Holder, Mayor De Blasio, were not there but they sure helped incite this by completely under minding the process.

    These people are in the position to influence, pulling the race card is bs. There actions certainly didn't help make any of this better.
     
  17. buicksstage1

    buicksstage1 Well-Known Member


    Its all bs, his hands were not up and yes he could breath.
    Not sure how accurate these stats are but here is something I found on a google search:
    In 2012, according to the CDC, 140 blacks were killed by police. That same year 386 whites were killed by police. Over the 13-year period from 1999 to 2011, the CDC reports that 2,151 whites were killed by cops — and 1,130 blacks were killed by cops.


    Police shootings, nationwide, are down dramatically from what they were 20 or 30 years ago. The CDC reported that in 1968, shootings by law enforcement — called “legal intervention” by the CDC — was the cause of death for 8.6 out of every million blacks. For whites the rate was was .9 deaths per million.
    By 2011, law enforcement shootings caused 2.74 deaths for every million blacks, and 1.28 deaths for every million whites. While the death-by-cop rate for whites has held pretty steady over these last 45 years, hovering just above or below the one-in-a-million level, the rate for blacks has fallen. In 1981, black deaths by cop stood at four in a million, but since 2000 has remained just above or below two in a million.

    So what’s driving this notion that there is now an “epidemic” of white cops shooting blacks when in the last several decades the numbers of blacks killed by cops are down nearly 75 percent?

    Where’s the evidence suggesting race had anything to do with the death of 12-year-old Tamir Rice in Cleveland, who was pointing a pellet gun at bystanders before being shot and killed by police? [...]



    This white-cop-out-to-get-black-civilian narrative advances the interest of many. The media loves what Tom Wolfe called the “Great White Defendant” — a bad white guy everybody can agree to dislike. For the Democrats, it furthers their assertion that race remains a major problem in America, that Republicans/tea partiers/black conservatives are out to get them, and you must vote for us. For “activists” like the Revs. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, and local wannabes, it gives them continued relevance.
     
  18. johnnylark

    johnnylark Well-Known Member

    If Deblassihole had never said that he and his wife told their son to be afraid of the NYPD, in a post eric garner non indictment interview, this would be a non issue in Ny. This guy is the absolute worst mayor in NY since ive been born. But this is the same problem that happened when Obama was elected. Keep voting for incompetent people and this is the result. Stop blamig police officers and place the blame where its supposed to be, on the scum that continues to try and go against the system everyday.
     
  19. 442w30

    442w30 Well-Known Member

    Funny, but nowhere did I say there was an epidemic of white cop/black citizen shootings. That's just the hype that you read online, but that's not what I've said.
     
  20. BUICKRAT

    BUICKRAT Got any treats?

    and thus, the racial divide increases.

    Violence wins no supporters. we must remember that. If these folks think that violence, looting and crime are going to help their status, all they do is hurt themselves.

    As a civilized American, do I want that behavior on our streets? That mindset? I think not.
     
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