If I find a thread bothersome, or of no value to me I just don't read/follow it. Rock stars never were a big thing to me so when there is a thread on one dying I just go past it. If this or other threads bother you just don't follow it. It will keep your blood pressure down.
I almost hit a panhandler leaving the home depot in my Buick there back on track. Stop adding to the page count if you don't like the content matter. We are all guests here. Big thanks to JW for hosting it.
Interesting stat. In the 1950s, there were 550,000 beds for mental health care in America. Today, there are fewer than 38,000; while medication has certainly helped, the rapid reduction in bed space combined with an increase in population (approx 150 M back then, over 300 M now) still leaves us with not enough space to handle the urgent need.
There has been a big push to "integrate" people back in society over the past 20 years. We have seen it our area, all of the mental health facilities have been closed and the occupants moved to homes within the local communities. Kind of like they are doing with the prisons now (closing down a few on this end of the state). " What could go wrong" is right. The task would be to separate those that need help from those that are just lazy.
Here’s an interesting article about ‘deinstitutionalism’ and the long term result. Basically, we decided it was inhumane to build facilities and house people and illegal to force them to take medicine, so we closed the sanitariums and converted mental health care to outpatient status (and did that very poorly). That seems more humane until you see the result. The article focuses on the mentally ill who end up in jail, but many that aren’t in jail are today’s homeless. There’s probably even a component of choice, too. In the ‘50s, if you knew that ‘acting crazy’, going off your meds, living in the bushes would get you sent to the loony bin you might try to control yourself. Now, it gets you free tents, free services and almost zero responsibility. In the ‘50s we learned about mental illness by reading articles and books and watching movies. Now we see it out our car windows and as we walk down the street. https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/05/truth-about-deinstitutionalization/618986/ Patrick
I also recall now banned lobotomies were often used as a method of "helping" the mentally unstable. Their success rate is debatable.
Do you think there is any correlation between deinstitutionaizing and the rise of mass shootings besides homelessness?
In the past, we would put the mentally ill in a facility. Now we give them meds, send them off and hope they stay on them. Do you think that has contributed to the rise of mass shootings in this country?
Yes Jason . And the Meds start at ages in the single digits because parents can't control their children and have no idea how to raise them . Mass shootings might be because these so called parents " Straw purchase " guns for their under age children to placate them . The parents should not have bred .
Not in regards to homelessness, because it isn't the homeless mentally ill doing any shooting. I'm not sure I have even heard of such an occurrence. The kids that do these kinds of things tend to be legitimately troubled, but the adults not so much. Being able to function in everyday society until one day you shoot a bunch of people is not a good insanity argument -- it just shows that you were willing to do something evil. Somehow a lot of people think along the lines of: Kill one person -- sure, that's normal. Kill two persons -- yeah, I get it. Kill three persons -- hey, you're getting carried away there, bud. Kill four or more -- OMG, the shooter must have been crazy / a lunatic / a madman. The reality is a lot of it is just people being evil, regardless of numbers. Sorry -- slightly off-track response, but trying to keep it in bounds.
I would argue that the desire to kill multiple human beings at random, is a very good indicator that the shooter has some serious mental illness issues. There is always a motivator behind these shootings, and often that motivation stems from irrational thoughts/fears/desires.. of the mentally ill mind. This is different than a criminal who shoots up a bunch of folks, trying to elude police.. now that guy is the "evil" person you speak of. JW
Who remembers the Greyhound Bus beheading near Portage la Prairie, MB? It involved a person of questionable mental capacity who choose to end the life of an innocent young man in the most horrible way. He's now walking the streets under a different, unpublished name. But he *promised* to remain on his meds for the rest of his life. He could just as easily be another panhandler. We simply don't know where he is, if he's kept that promise, or if he's reverted back to a ticking time bomb capable of repeating his heinous actions. That said, I didn't see the usual suspects at their respective locations this morning while running some errands.
There is a twist to your math, and sadly it involves color. People think a certain way because of how things are reported. Three men of one color stupidly confront one man in Georgia of a different color. The man of a different color dies. National news story for at least 1.5 years One red car in Wisconsin runs over scores of people and its a news story for approximately 1.5 weeks 8 men in Chicago gun down 8 men of the same color in one weekend, and I am not sure that makes the news anywhere but Chicago on Monday One man in Minnesota that is supposed to serve and protect is on an ego/power trip. One man dies of a different color as a consequence. Injury and destruction needlessly ensues for months to come and an entire profession is tarnished
The next time I have a load to downtown Los Angeles I’ll do a video of me getting of the freeway and driving around the corner to drop off …. I’ll also do a killer voice in the video of me pretending that you are a visitor on a BIG RIG SIGHT SEEING TOUR….. yaaa caaa mon… I’m out
Tony Timpa died at the hands of the police in EXACTLY the same way as George Floyd. Except that unlike Floyd, he had done nothing wrong and didn't have enough fentanyl in his system to kill a horse. No one cared. https://www.dallasnews.com/news/inv...veals-the-final-minutes-of-tony-timpa-s-life/ It is sad that in this country, the ethnicity of the people involved is the main factor in determining whether people are outraged.
