i gots the covid

The biggest problem here that I see with this thread is the problem with the entire situation..

Exaggeration

Let's get a few things straight, based on SCIENCE AND DATA.

Refusing a covid vaccination is not a death sentence, for you or anyone else. I can list off 10 things off the top of my head that have a higher risk of death, and we do them every day. Exaggerating about the risk does not help anyone's cause. And the blame game?..if you drive a car, then you are risking someone else's life.. that is undeniable. Yet we do it every day. So give that argument a break, it does not hold water.

The current vaccines are not anywhere near as effective, over time, as those that eliminated things like Polo.. they are not even in the same area code... Like I said before, the current vaccines seem to be more of an pre-infection Therapeutic treatment. Which is a good thing... but still, don't try and compare the current covid vaccines to a proven entity like the Polo Vaccine. That's silly and weakens your argument.

It's clear to me that about 80% of the population is going to have to acquire LONG TERM immunity to the virus and it's variants, before we can relegate it to the status of "just another flu strain. So far, the only way to gain long term immunity seems to be contracting the illness, and your body fighting it off. But even that is unknown. It's simply too early here to draw these conclusions.

No one knows, because of the time frames we have had to work with, if any of the vaccines provide long term immunity. I have seen studies that indicate that those "breakthrough cases" are much higher among those who were vaccinated more than 6 months ago. That's an ominous indicator, but still does not support a conclusion.

Stop referring to the "Covid death count". The official number is laughable, and everyone knows it. The CDC panicked and lost sight of , oh, what's that word...Science.. when it created the guidelines for reporting. For half a year, everyone that died of anything, and was also Covid positive, was counted as a Covid death. And plenty of those Covid deaths were actually "presumed" cases.. with no test given. A number of states and counties have went back an audited their records, and a drop in their official count of Covid deaths of up to 60% has been reported.

No one still knows the actual death or hospitalization rates.. simply because there has been no effort to identify those who had asymptomatic cases of Covid, via serology tests for antibodies, and because of the inaccurate "official death count". So the numerator is wrong, and the denominator is unknown for that equation. We simply don't know.

And here is what really gets me...

Steve, I hate so single you out, but you provided exactly the example I need here... Your fully vaccinated, yet you sent all your workers home again.. I assume that you did not require vaccination among that group, or were unaware of their status? Is that why you took that action? Because if everyone was vaccinated, why?

So tell us.. if your vaccination is the key to stopping covid, what exactly do you have to worry about?? Hey, you and others have said "if we all got the vaccine, then we will stop the epidemic". I think that is a hopeful, but premature conclusion.. and I suspect you also think that way, which is why you sent everyone home again from your place of business.

And... if the vaccine works, why on earth are they now talking about mask mandates again? Which, btw, were not anywhere near as effective as we were lead to believe last year. The point of a mask is to stop droplets of saliva, from contaminating surfaces, where someone else could touch that surface, and touch their nose or eyes, and contract the virus. Yet several studies done last year showed that cloth masks actually areosolized the droplets, making the the surrounding area contamination worst. Yet those scientific studies were ignored. And instead, the government endorse the use of a cloth mask. As far as stopping the actual virus particles.. one epidemiologist was quoted saying this "Putting on a cloth facemask to try and stop any virus, is like putting up a chain link fence in your backyard to keep the mosquitoes out."

We have all seen Level 4 Biohazard suits.. that is what it really takes to protect an individual from Covid. Everything else just lessens the chances of contraction, and if they would be honest about that, it would go along way toward the compliance they seek.


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A lack of a cohesive message from our health officials throughout this thing, as well as selective adoption of the "Science" has anyone who is paying attention, asking questions. And a good portion of the blame for that falls right on the media. I don't even bother to watch the news anymore.. from any source.. because everyone is putting a spin on it now.

The rest of the blame can be laid at the door of social media, this site included... Too many of us simply won't admit "we don't know", and want to jump in and argue, which leads to exaggeration and often, downright making up things we don't know to be true.

JW

P.S I am not vaccinated.. yet.. although I have no issue with vaccinations in general. I examined my health and my daily situation, along with where I live, and my risk factor is very low.. so I have the opportunity to, like Tom, take a "wait and see" approach. I suspect I will get vaccinated here this fall, when we all go back inside, and the risk increases.

 

The answer to your questions Jim are fairly simple. A virus is not really a living organism. It attaches itself to a cell and essentially attacks the DNA of the cell to reproduce with with the makeup of the virus. The vaccine gives your body the specific protein it needs to protect the DNA. It creates the antibody. The issue is every person has different DNA. Therefore the virus is a bit different after it reproduces with a host cell. Hence the variants and hence why its a cold for some and a death sentence for others. One simply can't expect a single vaccine to combat all sorts of variations. This is not indicative of a "weak" vaccine. BUT if the virus lands on a person with the vaccine and is unable to reproduce then it's dead. BUT if it lands in a non vaccinated person it has the opportunity to create another variant and spread and therefore make the vaccine a little less effective. If we quit the conspiracy crap and belly aching we could end this as effectively as we did polio. The longer we wait the more opportunity it has to turn into something much deadlier. That ain't drama, conspiracy or whatever else. That's the truth.

 

We are highly polarized on the mask and vaccine issues. I do not intend to get into a debate or argument with anyone as to the pros and cons of either, but the statistic that I'm looking at is that north of 85% of those admitted to hospitals for Covid are unvaccinated. That tells me all that I need to know. I have received two vaccinations of the Modena medication and will get a third if my family doctor recommends it. It's no big deal. I have told just about every MD that I have dealt with in my adult life that I don't want to die of something that I didn't need to die of. Covid killed my brother Frank (before vaccines were available). I'll bet that he would have gotten the shot if he had the opportunity.

 

Anyone else notice that the FLU disappeared since COVID. If you get stuffed up and sick its automatically COVID! Also I am confused. Can someone actually get sick and die SPECIFICALLY from COVID alone with NO other health factors invovlved?

 

https://rumble.com/vkfz1v-the-vaccine-causes-the-virus-to-be-more-dangerous.html

 

In this case it’s more like genetically modified human vs organic.

 

It’s not a vaccine, it doesn’t meet the scientific criteria. It’s a Gene therapy that is in the experimental phase of human trials.

 

With no control group!

 

Sorry you couldn't grasp the point of my using the polio vaccine as an illustration. I wasn't comparing the vaccinations, just the length of time that went into research.!

 

I think I should go for a drive in my AC equipped SUV with all windows rolled up while sporting my "disposable, single use face diaper" that I've worn at least 2 dozen times over the last month. It spends most of its time inside a plastic envelope, which in turn resides inside the document holder I use on the job. It should be nice and fresh! Maybe I'll also wear a pair of nitrile gloves as I'm sure somebody else drove it 4-5 months ago. Can't be too careful eh.

On a more serious note, it's not that difficult to alter your routine and reduce exposure risk. You won't find me browsing Wally World or my local grocery store during peak times. Nor will I run there for that MUST HAVE IT RIGHT NOW item. I'll do without if necessary.

 

As I see it there is a bigger overall problem. Started some time ago with the germaphobe mentality. Hand sanitizers and antimicrobial soap ect has weakened the immunity system of the vast majority of the population. No one is immune to anything because they have had no contact with any germs that would normally build up an immunity in their systems.. I grew up on a horse ranch with all sorts of animals and all the dirt and nasty stuff that goes along with that life. I dont remember ever getting really sick from anything nor any of my friends. I probably ate 1/2 my meals with some sort of animal crap under my fingernails. I do not subscribe to that school of thought and have continued to live like its not gonna hurt me. No mask, no sanitizer ect. I crawl around under dirty ass doublewide mobile homes nearly everyday. AKA giant cat box/ dead animals. never get sick. One thing I have done as a preventive measure is eat "Airborn" supplement everyday. In the early days of the "pandemic" I was doing 3 times a day now only once. I believe its working and im cool with that.

 

JIM SAID:
Steve, I hate so single you out, but you provided exactly the example I need here... Your fully vaccinated, yet you sent all your workers home again.. I assume that you did not require vaccination among that group, or were unaware of their status? Is that why you took that action? Because if everyone was vaccinated, why?"

We do not have our own bathrooms. We have community bathrooms. We cannot know or control the behavior of other people who work in the building who we encounter. I do not like that because:

1 person is really old but vaxxed and not in great health. Delta would not kill that person but it could impact that person severely with risk of long term effects. I do not want the guilt
of possibly causing exposure when that person can easily work from home.

1 person is severely, as in crazy unbelievably yikes, type 1 diabetic. That person is vaxxed. Delta would not kill that person but it could impact that person severely with risk of long term effects. I do not want the guilt of possibly causing exposure when that person can easily work from home.

1 person is vaxxed and behaves very cautiously and lives with an elderly parent who is vaxxed but in so-so health. Delta would not kill the parent but it could impact the parent severely with risk of long term effects.I do not want the guilt of possibly causing exposure when that person can easily work from home.

1 person is very type 1 diabetic and is vaxxed but has a significant other with very serious health issues who cannot be vaxxed. Delta would not kill that person but it could impact that person severely with risk of long term effects. Delta would very possibly kill the significant other. I do not want the guilt
Of possibly causing exposure when that person can easily work from home.

1 person is a major germaphobe and is vaxxed. Sending that person home means I don't have to hear about this, that, and the other. Boy does it get old. Plus we would go broke buying disinfectant if the office was open.

So yeah, all vaxxed up but being cautious because I care for our employees and their families.

If we had private restrooms? Yeah -- the office would be open.

 

Fair enough Steve.. other health complications and your restroom situation are the reasons, and seems solid to me.

JW

 

Actually you missed my point. I got yours perfectly clear. When they designed the F35 they had 120 years of learned technology under their belt. Thats quite an advantage in any field and there is no need to test principles that are already known.

 

I am fully vaxed fairly healthy along with my wife and our adult children, I work as a custodian at a high school and am pretty sure when school starts back we’ll see a lot of covid. My sister in law works in an ICU unit as a nurse her unit had 14 people all non vaxed and in bad shape,scary stuff, my question is the heard immunity issue many people have had it more than once, and the vaxed are getting it what gives? No answers just more questions everyone please be as safe as possible want to see you all next year at the Nats!

 

It's been 18 mos. of conflicting information even w/in the scientific community (unfortunately, science/medicine has been politicized), let alone those spouting off on both sides of the isle that have no idea what they're talking about.

 

I believe i had the China flu back in february of 2019....right before it exploded onto the world. My friend and i went to two sold out(over sold) Billy Strings shows in Louisville the first week of that month....standing room only...great shows but a week after we got home my friend and i were both feeling bad.I had very few symptoms other that feeling bone tired.....i stayed in bed for a solid week...lost 10 pounds and then i was fine....he had the same problem but with some of the regular flu issues...runny nose...cough...he got thru it also....there were no tests for it back then.....i am pretty sure i had the virus then.
Fast forward to last weekend.....i spent three nights with 24,000+ at Phish concerts at Deer Creek.....middle of this week i had sinus congestion and a touch of a sore throat...was it the delta variant?.....who knows but i am almost over it today.....
As stated in an earlier post....all kinds of pollen flying around right now(orange boots) here in central Indiana....plus it's pretty dry....

I work to keep my immune system strong every day(beer/tequila therapy)......so far so good.

Just my .02 cents worth on this topic.

Peace my friends

WildBill

 

not because of me and thats the exact reason i feel like its mishandled. get over your political beliefs and lets do what we can to at least lesson this thing where its not a big worry.