i gots the covid

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  1. DaWildcat

    DaWildcat Platinum Level Contributor

    Hello!

    For what it's worth, I've been quite impressed with all the dialog, and I say so in a POSITIVE way! Yes, "impressed" means nothing other than having an impression. One could do a dive on etymology for that word, but not necessary in this case.

    I've learned a lot of stuff reading here and following links and what have you.

    I'm the kinda guy who isn't so much afraid of not knowing, but more afraid of knowing something that might be wrong. Trying to be a dry sponge here.

    All the dialog is appreciated.

    Devon
     
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  2. Mike Trom

    Mike Trom Platinum Level Contributor

    Maybe the F35 is not a good example. Just google F35 issues...

    • The Pentagon decision to start building the jet early has led to an issue where hundreds of older jets still suffer from significant problems.
    Hopefully this will not be the same for the Covid Vac.
     
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  3. knucklebusted

    knucklebusted Well-Known Member

  4. 446379H

    446379H Well-Known Member

    By the time the data is collected it’s already outdated. Look at the Cases now from vaccinated people .

    For instance the carnival cruise line.
    Every person on board had to show PROOF of vaccination AND a negative test, and mask .
    Yet , they have an out break . So are Rona droplets floating around in the sea ?
     
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  5. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

  6. JESUPERCAT

    JESUPERCAT No Slow Boat

    Larry you are missing the point of my question. That is why I said what Greg posted is what I'm looking for. I just figured I would of had an answer from a few others also that know covid inside and out by now.
    Back to work
     
  7. knucklebusted

    knucklebusted Well-Known Member

    But they now have NO control group. There can be no comparison to the control group to identify anything.

    You might as well have two engines, stock and highly modified, to make comparisons on long term differences. Then, change the cam and carb on the stock and try to base you findings on a tainted comparison. It's bad science.
     
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  8. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Outbreak? Those are breakthrough cases. Did anybody die? There are outbreaks on cruise ships all the time. It's usually noro virus. Makes you miserable but doesn't kill you.
     
  9. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    I answered the question in the Johns Hopkins link. Did you really read it? I guess I have to copy and paste,

    Why is it that the vaccine leads to better immunity than natural infection?
    The honest truth is, we don’t know. The immune system of people who have been infected has been trained to target all these different parts of the virus called antigens. You’d think that would provide strongest immunity, but it doesn’t. The Pfizer or Moderna vaccines target just the spike protein—the part of the virus that is essential for invading cells. It’s like a big red button sitting on the surface of the virus. It’s really sticking out there, and it’s what our immune system sees most easily. By focusing on this one big antigen, it’s like you’re making our immune system put blinders on and only be able to see that one piece of the virus.

    Does the severity of infection make a difference in immunity? If I had a terrible case of COVID-19 infection, will I have stronger immunity?
    Absolutely. My lab here at the Bloomberg School and others have shown that people who were hospitalized, who were really sick with COVID, in many cases are believed to have greater immunity than people with less severe disease. But again, that immunity may be declining. So, even if you had a more severe case, you still should plan to get vaccinated.

    Some people say they would rather be infected naturally than get vaccinated. Others say they’re worried about vaccine side effects. What would you tell them?
    Vaccines are tested for their safety in ways that we could never do with a natural viral infection. A lot of what’s referred to as side effects are the precise things that we experience to a greater degree when we are infected: fever, headache, malaise, gastrointestinal issues, etc. With infection, you don’t know how bad it’s going to be. By not getting vaccinated, you’re rolling the dice. You may become severely ill. You may have to be hospitalized. You may die.

    There’s also the risk of long COVID. I know a teenage girl who got COVID before the vaccines were available. She didn’t have a lot of symptoms, but now she has all of the symptoms of long COVID. A year later, she is trying to maintain a somewhat normal teenage life with profound fatigue. She has never recovered fully from having COVID.

    Do you really want to risk severe disease and all the risks that involves?
     
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  10. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    It's been about a year now. I doubt all the control group opted to get the vaccine. People are dying, and you want to pick at something like that?
     
  11. nekkidhillbilly

    nekkidhillbilly jeffreyrigged youtube channel owner

    wasnt really directed at you just saying thats what we all need to do. sorry if it came off wrong.
     
  12. nekkidhillbilly

    nekkidhillbilly jeffreyrigged youtube channel owner

    maybe slightly not much change
     
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  13. JESUPERCAT

    JESUPERCAT No Slow Boat

    Larry as I said. I'll read it later. So no I didn't read it as I'm working and don't have time to read a bunch of links until I get home.
    Each person should study all that they can and talk with their dr's and even a specialist when medical conditions warrant, I did. 70% lung function would put anyone including me in that situation.
    You and others tacking it personally is part of the problem, as due to keyboard/ no facial communication or voice tone pushes others to become defensive.
    Hoping you see that as constructive if not give me a call.
     
  14. nekkidhillbilly

    nekkidhillbilly jeffreyrigged youtube channel owner

    me personally i would do anything i could to keep from giving it to someone that may die. i am truly upset my wife has it and idk who got it first but i have felt like i betrayed her in some way. i also cant help her in any way which sucks.
     
  15. nekkidhillbilly

    nekkidhillbilly jeffreyrigged youtube channel owner

    same i dont want to attack anyone please dont take me that way
     
  16. nekkidhillbilly

    nekkidhillbilly jeffreyrigged youtube channel owner

    that is all ive been trying to do is share maybe it will influence people to try and battle this better i just feel like as a whole we have failed and its not really anyones fault but its here and we gotta deal with it. idk if im making sense again my head swims a little rn.
     
  17. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    I'm not taking this personally. Does disagreeing with you constitute taking it personally? I've been sitting on the sidelines rolling my eyes and shaking my head at the inaccuracies I see. I've been trying to stay out of the fray, but I can't.

    "A lie can make it around the world 3 times before the truth even gets it's boots on"
     
  18. JESUPERCAT

    JESUPERCAT No Slow Boat

    Nekkid I don't. You have a lot going on. Do not feel guilty or depressed with your wife being sick. You two are a team for better and worse sickness and in health. Show her support and strength as that will make you both stronger.
    Next weekend is 30 years for my wife and I we have been to hell and back, I think twice.
    Have a good evening
     
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  19. sean Buick 76

    sean Buick 76 Buick Nut

    I don’t think Fauci and Bill Gates (neither are politicians) have any credibility at this point. That’s who feeds this garbage to the world. What you think are facts will be proven to be fraud.
     
  20. sean Buick 76

    sean Buick 76 Buick Nut

    And what are the long term effects of this gene therapy? No one knows, roll the dice.
     
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