This would be so exciting... Wow, another Buick vs Hemi race. Who would of thought anyone would have ever come up with such an idea. Hot Rod is cutting edge. Why don't they just publish the results of all the past Buick vs Hemi showdowns starting with Lassiter's ( Run's like its tied to a tree "Stump puller") Stage 1 vs Roy Badie's ( can't be beat Hemi ). on up to the 72 Stage 1 of Greg Gessler vs the rest. Hay...I think it's time for the Hemi vs Oldsmobile, Hemi vs Pontiac, Hemi vs Chevrolet, Hemi vs Ford grudge matches. And don't forget the Hemi vs Cadillac match! The Hemi's are the fastest... right? Anyway thats what all the advertisements have told me for the last 40 years. o No: GSX Eric :3gears:
Dave: Was it Hot Rod that initiated this event or yourself? I won't be the one to throw any water on this party, as you know the Buicks haven't shyed away from a "contest" much in the past. You know we didn't start this rivalry, but we have been willing and certainly held up our end pretty well in past "events". Meaning......our old granny engines haven't done too bad in the past. If nothing else than just the ink in a major magazine, I hope we can muster a competetive Buick to run with the big dogs. I wonder why Greg turned down the offer? Its going to take a bunch of time, effort and dollars to put together a competetive package not to mention all the fine tuning needed to lay down some good numbers. And with several already assembled and tested cars you had available to choose from, seems we got invited to the party after the rules were set. That's OK, we're game. Just give us some time to come up with a game plan. Don't take some of the negative comments here as excuses. But we clearly need to establish some rules that even the playing field. Its easy to be willing to enter a contest when the rules have all but declared the winner. We may drive, build and pay hommage to the Buick's but we're not unaware. A complete Stage 2 package still pales in comparison to the Hemi's engineering and potential. Now stock for stock or with a set limit of dollars spent destined for a "true" street engine then I could see us having a more competetive comparison. Something I've learned is what comes out in print isn't always what actually has happened in the past. With my participation in the Car Craft Real Street Eliminator series back in '86, the Hemi vs. Stage 1 controversy was carried over and the quoted times for the Hemi were not even close to what that car ran. But the Stage 1 still had the Hemi and the rest of the field covered handily. There's more to the story, but it was a great event to be involved in, and definitely no sour grapes on this end. It just opened my eyes to the politics that can get involved. You've carried the Hemi banner well, and I commend you heartily :TU:
How about my Vette vs Daves Hemi?I'll make no changes other than gears,convertor and tires.Good match in my opinion.I know it's not a buick,but it cant hurt to offer. :grin:
Gee Dave, are you sure Casey didn't put you up to this, just for something more entertaining to read than his collection of Entertainment for Men ?
:Smarty: I`ll kick that Vette`s asz... :moonu: I can see you now. :ball: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Just kidding Wayne,but not really. JUST JOKING IN GOOD FUN...
Hot Rod initiated this shoot-out 100% and I believe the Buick`s have not disappointed anybody in the past. Win or Lose! I did offer up a shoot-out on my own about 4 years ago and the Buick`s did accept. It was *ON* MCR magazine was gonna show, I made hotel arrangments,ect. At the time I think my Hemi was a little faster than the GSCA expected and it appeared they bowed out of the shoot-out because they were not 100% sure they could win. I don`t get it???? I`m about 75% sure if Wayne`s Vette and my Road Runner raced on slicks I`d lose. I`d still race, it`s good fun. :TU: The FAST rules are perfect rules. They are well established, enforceable, after the 1st B&H shoot out the cars were stock appearing. So were kind of keeping the theme intact by keeping the cars looking stock. I recieved an e-mail from Rix. Right now i need to know how far Hot Rod wants to get from Stock Appearing. I`m sure their instrested in more than just the Buick vs Hemi thing.. This race would be a two for one. FAST cars on slicks. How FAST are they? will be the second question answered. We will have them set up to run on the slicks so this could be instresting.
When I first started contributing on this web-site over a year ago, I heard how lousy the Hemi-cars are from many Buick owners (Not all, but many). Mopars suck, Stage 1 rules the Hemi, etc... Now the Hemi guys come up with a challenge (F.A.S.T.) and no Buick racers want a piece of this? I would have thought all the guys making the same comments last year would have leaped at this opportunity.
I would have thought all the guys making the same comments last year would have leaped at this opportunity. i believe that both Darryl and i have addressed this quite handily already. IN STOCK FORM, a Stage 1 is a very dangerous beast for a STOCK hemi to tangle with. F.A.S.T. rules specify that if it looks factory on the outside (and the exhaust sound isn't TOO radical) you can run it cuz F.A.S.T. isn't going to bother with an engine tear down. ou: hell, F.A.S.T. goes so far as to state explicitly that "2.04 Internal engine modifications OK." and "3.08 Electric fuel pumps are allowed if mounted in a location out of view." IOW, if it's non-stock (read: illegal) it's cool as long as we can't see it. ou: applied this means that there's all kinds of whack s4!7 being done in this class. and everybody knows that the Hemi has orders of magnitude more aftermarket and factory support than we do. it doesn't matter how good the 455 was in 1970. you throw the hundreds of millions of dollars in development in factory, aftermarket and racing aps that the Hemi has had (and that the Buick never got) and then allow the Hemi that technology to compete against a 1970 engine with, at best, hand porting and maybe a little stroke and bore and that's a pretty tough row to hoe. and even with all that, there have been Buicks racing AND WINNING under real F.A.S.T. rules. now they want to throw out the tire rule which is just about the only thing that was really being teched anyway (i've seen several places online offering new iron castings WITH FACTORY CASTING NUMBERS)? uzzled: excuse me if i think this sounds like a set up. color me unimpressed. as i said before, if they want to go to the F/S class rules for F.A.S.T. or even if they would just run real F.A.S.T. rules they might get some takers ... i don't know too many people who are interested in volunteering to show up for a non-competitive beat down. of course, Hot Rod wants the slicks because they want a 'sexy' angle for their story. otherwise, they'd just post the F.A.S.T. results for the heads up Buick / Hemi races over the last 5 years. where's the magazine sales in that?
The only guys that would make stupid comments regarding the Hemi's lack of kahoona's are dimwhits. The engineering is almost second to none, the cylinder heads are simply the best, the entire package is real and spectacular (from a famous quote :laugh: ) and the rest is...........history. Blind devotion isn't necessarily admired in the group I hang out with. And I haven't heard anyone with any sense on here rank on the Hemi cars. And those that do I don't pay any attention to anyway. But I would add, that within a limited budget for modifications and pure street use, I've not been shown up by any equilavent Hemi powered car yet. I'd be more leery of the 440 cars myself. And as far as a quality automobile goes the Chrysler cars are a cheap imitation of a car wrapped around an amazing powertrain. At least our GS's are complete packages. We should be proud as Buick owners that the Hemi guys even consider us worthy competitors. Gee their Hemi beat up on my Grandma's engine. We'd better not turn tail and run now, even if the outcome isn't with our victory. It is all in fun :TU: as Dave stated. We have nothing to lose, we're the underdogs bigtime!
Any guess on how fast Daves new car will go with slicks?? I'm guessing mid 10's at least.Maybe faster.
Ok,Ill run em... Ok, Ill run him.. My 70 GSX Stage 1 runs 12.90's on street tires. DD's Hemi runs low 11's or ? on street tires. The Hemi wins ! And Hot Rod can publish the results now and save all that time and money! Ok... now what ? GSX Eric :3gears:
Well said Dave!!! I agree with everything you posted. I wasn't referring to all Buick owners. Only those dimwhits. I know my Stage 1 will run with my Hemi anyday of the week. Both are stock! Love my stage 1! I will also agree with Chrysler quality issues. To a point. :laugh: :laugh: I'm really interested to see the upcoming certified Stock class of F.A.S.T. this year. It should be fun.
Was Hot Rod really looking for a Buick/Hemi race?Or was it a chance to see what our F.A.S.T cars will run on slicks.
With a 1.61 60ft on stock tires..Hmmm I`m guessing about a 1.50/1.47 on slicks. We would be hitting the 60ft mark about the same time on slicks. :TU: That could be very instresting.. BTW: Two Buicks have already stepped up and offered their rides. If the details are worked out nobody will hear the results until after the shoot-out hits the news stands and I`m out of here..
:laugh: :laugh: remove the tranny, gut and rebuild the rear... yup, that no changes to me too ou: :TU:
