Gas prices are at all time high

You're welcome.

 

The current group of Mods is awesome. No fighting in front of the children

 

Close to an airport rental car return, perhaps?

 

Let's have electric planes instead of cars go 1st and see how that flys......

 

I think most, if not all of us are open to alternative sources of energy. The problem most of us have is putting the cart before the horse. We don’t have the technology and infrastructure to make it work in all the applications necessary such as transportation, heating, production, agriculture, etc. Until that time, we need to utilize the options available without getting hosed by idealists.

 

The problem is that it's not the free market that is choosing these energies, they are being forced upon us.

In 1900 there were cars propelled by electricity, steam and gasoline. A few years later the consumer had decided that gasoline was the superior option and the rest is history. There was no coercion - People don't have to be forced to use things that are better.

One thing to consider is that the same people who are trying to eliminate fossil fuels have ideas about private vehicle ownership and the overall quality of life we should have, that should make people very nervous. High energy prices that impoverish normal people are not a bug, they are a feature.

After a century of failed apocalyptic predictions, how do these people have any credibility anyway??
https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-of-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions/

 

Anyone had this problem? Gas has gotten so expensive, depending on where I am at, the pump will stop pumping at say $75 or $125 and spit out "Credit Authorization Reached". The other day I left without my full tank of gas. Today, I left without getting all the fuel I should have with my "rewards".

 

True dat, but like lightning, we don't have the tech to harness it yet. I'm all for new forms of energy, I just don't think it's right to impoverish the masses before it's available at a reasonable cost, and "reasonable" should be defined by the consumers, not a "few folks" with a financial interest.

 

Our reliance on fossil fuels isn’t going away anytime soon. We just need to break free from the enviro propaganda and back to utilizing our oil and gas resources here in North America, there is no shortage.

 

No, It has not.. I just had not seen it yet.. NO MEMES with political overtones guys.. No matter how much I might personally enjoy them, we have to be consistent in policy enforcement here.

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AS to my previous post on the topic.. I was simply reporting what was told to me that day, via the TV and Radio newscasts.

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As to those who say we are "lucky" to only pay 4-5 bucks a gallon, my reply is simple.

In the USA, we do not allow our government to use motor fuel as a profit center, as we limit the amount of "free stuff" for our citizens. Or at least historically we did.. there are those among us who would have us use the European socialist model as a goal for this country's future, but I would hope folks would be smart enough to realize that along with the "freebies" come the taxes to pay for it all. A big part of those taxes is confiscatory pricing of simple commodities.

When our government oversteps what the citizens as a collective consider proper, we simply vote them, and their ideas, out of office. If one of the two political parties goes that way.. we simply remove that party from the decision making process.

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Don't get me started on the fantasy that is "emission free" vehicles. Those who actually believe that, must have slept thru 8th grade physics.

JW

 

If more people knew these days knew how to work on cars they wouldn't need to spend $50K+ on them they could buy used. If you buy that same vehicle used for $20K there is plenty of money saved for fuel. It'd like people that pay $200K for a boat and sit at the dock whining about gas prices. They could have bought the boat used for $50K.
Same deal with cheap cars...people go and buy a new KIA that they can't afford that gets good gas mileage but they are still broke.

It goes on and on even trickles down to going to McDonalds and paying $9 per person for a family of 5 when they could have cooked at home for half that and eaten better.....

 

Clean Nuclear energy is the only option to power the transition to EV's and provide the energy/electricity to run industry and sustain everyday life and lessen our need for oil and gas.
But everybody is afraid of nuclear....and hydrogen....actually the powers that be don't want us to have those sources.....look at Germany and Europe shutting down their nuclear plants and are now dependent on Russian oil and gas.

By the way.....that Hummer weighs over 9,000 pounds.....how much juice does it take to move that down the road ?

Peace WildBill

 

Oh.. one other thing.. this thread is in no current danger of being locked.. We have done a little editing of what we consider blatant political stuff, but for the most part this thread is simply full of bitching over gas prices, and a little conversation about how our society is being forced by regulations and laws to go from a cheap, abundant energy source, to something else, instead of letting that change happen as a result of it being a better choice, overall.

You know, the battery in your cel phone is exactly the same technology that EV's currently use. I just got a new iPhone.. battery works great.. charges up fast, and is only half discharged or less, at the end of the day.. One the other hand, Beth's iPhone is about 6 years old, and spends more time on the charger than anywhere else.

That's exactly how an EV is going to work.. as the battery ages, and loses efficiency.

I will say this, as a country, a big part of what we consider freedom, is our freedom to travel as we see fit. To live where we see fit, regardless of how far it is from work. And the ability to get in our car, and drive it as long as we can fill the tank. That is much more important that most folks realize, and when they are deprived of that, they will rebel. Laws limiting that freedom will be struck down, savvy corporations will respond to markeplace demand, and the EV changeover will die like a fart in the wind.

I very much doubt I am wrong about this.. but time will tell.

I personally am ready to suck up a Tesla at the pennies on the dollar they will be selling for in a decade or so, and converting it to an ICE powertrain.



JW

 

Have largely stopped eating "fast food", but did stop at Wendy's the other night. (Benson AZ) not an area would consider "expensive". A single burger (medium size) combo was $10.39.

 

Well over here in beautiful British Columbia Canada, premium 91 octane is at 221.9 a litre ×3.78 = 838.7 per gallon......