Does pertronix change your firing order...?

Discussion in 'Street/strip 400/430/455' started by 68riviera430, Apr 2, 2009.

  1. idahoskylark

    idahoskylark idahoskylark

    if any excess up and down play needed taken out of the dist shaft then it would have been pulled to put a shim in between the gear and the dist housing
     
  2. 68riviera430

    68riviera430 BRRRRAAAAP!

    Alright guys, hes back and this is what happened.
    Apparently he got to the firing order this morning before I did.

    STILL WONT START UP! :af:
    The distributor is not 180* off...
    A shim was put in the distributor to get rid of play...
    It has spark and gas.

    I had the guy do it while I was there and it seems to be doing the thing that it was doing before I brought it there.
    You crank and crank and crank and it acts like it almost is gonna start up until it kills the battery. Then I would jump it with another car and it would start up almost instantlly. And for the rest of the day it would start right up, but then...let it sit over night again, exact same thing the next morning.
    What the heck is going on?
    To me it seems like it HAS to be something with the ignition. Like its not getting enough power or something. Ive thrown a red top battery at it and everything. Coil bad or something? I am stuck
     
  3. 68riviera430

    68riviera430 BRRRRAAAAP!

    Just threw a new coil at it...no help :ball::puzzled::mad:
     
  4. Smartin

    Smartin antiqueautomotiveservice.com Staff Member

    I've heard some people that have the pertronix have to turn the key on for a few seconds, then turn it back off. Then the car will start.

    Put the points back in, get the car home and send the distributor to Dave.
     
  5. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member


    For crying out loud:laugh: There are 3 things you need for an engine to run, fuel, spark, and air. How hard is it to figure out which one you are missing? Was the distributor removed to install the Pertronix? If so, it's probably in wrong, or the Pertronix is defective. put some points back in and try again. I wished you lived near me Ade, I'd have that engine running. Are there no Buick guys that live near you in California?
     
  6. CJay

    CJay Supercar owner Staff Member

    Dont guess, test! :bglasses:

    Larry, there are 4 things, you forgot compression!:bla:


    As Larry and Adam have said, put the points back in. So if we read this correctly, the car starts up fine when hot but will just crank and crank when cold? I hate to ask a dumb question, but could this be a simple choke problem here?
     
  7. Dale

    Dale Sweepspear

    x4
    Put the pionts back in.
     
  8. 68riviera430

    68riviera430 BRRRRAAAAP!

    The distributor is in right...and the pertronix is sending spark to the plug...its getting gas and air...thats why i dont get it
     
  9. 68riviera430

    68riviera430 BRRRRAAAAP!

    oh and as far as the choke thing...i dont know!
     
  10. Smartin

    Smartin antiqueautomotiveservice.com Staff Member

    Is it getting spark at the right TIME?:laugh:
     
  11. 68riviera430

    68riviera430 BRRRRAAAAP!

    i did the TDC thing and it was pointing right at #1
     
  12. CJay

    CJay Supercar owner Staff Member

    Does the choke engage when the car is cold? My line of thinking is that the choke isnt adjusted correctly and its not getting any air. Causing the engine to suffocate when its cold.

    Why else would it start right up when its hot and not when its cold?
     
  13. 68riviera430

    68riviera430 BRRRRAAAAP!

    how do i check if its engaging?
    ill check it out...once i can actually get it started
     
  14. CJay

    CJay Supercar owner Staff Member

    Tomorrow when the engine gets cold again, BOFORE you start it, try doing this quick test-

    Take the air cleaner off, Now grab the carb linkage and move it back a little, like your giving the engine some gas. Did the choke plate on top of the carb snap shut? Yes? If it did, grab a screwdriver (any one will do) and stick it in the top of the carb. Dont jamb it in there, just stick it in there so it keeps the choke plate open. Now get in and try starting the car. Report back to us with your findings as far as the choke and let us know if the car starts right up or if you have the same problem.
     
  15. 68riviera430

    68riviera430 BRRRRAAAAP!

    got it...will do
     
  16. Yardley

    Yardley Club Jackass

    Yes, Ade. To set the choke the owners manual says to first floor the gas pedal once, then then crank it over WITHOUT touching the gas. It should fire up if the choke snaps shut.

    If it won't start, I'm wondering if the fuel pump is bad. After sitting sometimes a bad pump will lose all pressure and to pull fuel from the tank am extra battery is needed to get the thing cranking fast enough to get the pump to draw.

    Put the points back in and set the dwell with a dwell meter (to start, with the points all the way open on the top of the lobe, set the gap to 30 thousandths. That should be good to start the car). If you don't have one see if that lame mechanic does.
     
  17. 68riviera430

    68riviera430 BRRRRAAAAP!

    Im gonna go try to start it with a jump like I used to have to do before.
    If that starts it up...then ill replace the fuel pump tomorrow and see how start up is.
    Otherwise...its back to the points and finding out why it wont start
     
  18. 1967GS340

    1967GS340 Well-Known Member

    O.K., I've got to admit I did follow this thread at first, then not for a while, and I just read through it quickly to catch up. I figured that by now it was on to the next issue.
    This may have been covered but when you say it's getting fuel, looked in the carb and pumped it when it's cold to see if it's getting fuel at start up??? Sometimes these things (like my 67) don't seem to have any fuel in the bowl after they sit. I have to crank my car a bit, then when it starts it's good for the day. I've been meaning to try uncorking the gas cap when I park it at night to see if I'm getting vacume that's sucking it back down. I haven't spent a lot of time checking mine out because it starts, it just takes a bit. I need to do it soon so that I'm not over working the starter.
    By the way, I'm glad that I did read it. I've heard a lot of good stuff about the pertronix. From what I read here it's probably because the guys that gave me the report didn't drive the car a lot so they didn't give it a lot of chance to fail. Scratch that from the "to do" list.
     
  19. yacster

    yacster Lv the gun tk the Canolis

    Ade - Don't touch the distributor. It is fine. You are getting spark and it is pointing to the correct cylinder. Leave the distributor alone. Do not replace points. Don't touch it again. Got it!:TU:

    Now- You say you crank and crank and until you have to jump the car it will not start. This is what I want you to do. Replace the Positive and negative battery cables. Next. There should be 2 straps coming off the back of the engine. Make sure they are in good shape if not replace them. 1 to the body and one to the frame of the car. Make sure the area where you attach these cables are free of gunk, oil, and paint. Fresh shiney metal is what you want.

    Next DO NOT DEVIATE and purchase headers, a cam, torque converter, spray paint or anything. The carb needs to be tuned correctly. You will be surprised when spark, fuel and air (and compression) come together correctly what happens . . . Here is a hint the car runs perfect!!! Do not buy another thing for that car until it runs right GOT IT!:TU:
     
  20. 68riviera430

    68riviera430 BRRRRAAAAP!

    Thats plan...just trying to get everything situated...a car that will start everytime I try to make it haha.
    What are the straps on the back called if I were to go into a store to buy replacements? Ground straps?
    Also...someone said something about the timing chain maybe being messed up?
     

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