I think it depends on what run of headers you got. I have a set of MT's that came with my car when I purchased it in 99. The flanges are very thick. They always sealed well.
Help me understand - I bought a set during the last run which was to be "THE LAST RUN EVER" and that is why I bought them. Now, with all you pleading for everyone to help "Preserve Buick history" you are trying to get 100 people together to make another run. So far you have 8 maybe's but lets say they're definates... lets say through some miracle you get the 92 more you need to make that magic number of 100 and you go ahead and have them made ... ... how has that "Save(d) Buick History" ? there is no guarantee that they will make more after that - just like there is no guarantee that they will make any more PERIOD ! Why not try to get Mike at TA to make an Iron 455 Tomahawk bolck ? I think that would preserve Buick history alot more than a set of headers
seems to me these headers have more to do with Mickey Thompson history rather than Buick history. damn, just go buy a set from somebody and move on with your project already.
you may need to look up Buick History, maybe go over some old dealership adds or ect...plus not everybody is looking to have a big block pumped up on juices just to have that radical sound...when all you need to do is buy a set of M/T SS Headers ---------- Post added at 01:11 AM ---------- Previous post was at 01:04 AM ---------- WOW WOW tell you what...you line up 50 plus people with unused M/T SS Headers and I will close this this poll in V8 Buick But I will keep it up and running for the chevy clubsp plus nobody I know is looking to buy a used set of M/T SS Headers for 300/400 pulse...when you can buy new set for a couple more dollars:TU: ---------- Post added at 01:34 AM ---------- Previous post was at 01:11 AM ---------- CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN WHAT THE BIG DEAL IS ALL ABOUT... LET ME GET THIS RITE...DOWN WITH GOOD HEADERS...UP WITH CHEAP O HEADERS....A TON OF MONEY INTO YOUR BLOCK BRAKES ECT. JUST FOR A RADICAL SOUND:eek2: O LET ME NOT FORGET THE CHERRY TEN CAN SOUND....NOT...UNDERSTAND I'M NOT SALEING OR MAKEING YOU BUY THEM....JUST TRYING TO HELP THESE THAT NEED THEM OR WOULD LIKE TO BUY THEM SOME TIME DOWN THE ROAD...NAME ME ONE HEADER THAT COMES CLOSE TO SOUND AND PERFORMANCE...FOR EVERYDAY DRIVER..NOT SOME BIG BLOCK ON JUICE..BLEEDING 5" EXHAUST HOLES ECT. WOW WOW ALL MY FRIENDS SAY THE GUYS ON THIS BOARD ARE NOT FRIENDLY OR OPEN TO ANYTHING..SO THEY ARE PARTING OUT PERFECTLY GOOD BUICK GS TO BUY CHEVY AFTER THIS POOL I CAN REALLY UNDERSTAND WHY...THIS IS CRAZY
Okay I have read the nonsense and I'll throw in my 2 cents before this thread gets closed up as it should because it has gone nowhere since may 10th. 1) I think we both can agree M/Ts are what they are because of there sound, lets just get that out there in the open. 2) TA headers are not cheapo.. Ask any buick guy and TA is the premium when it comes to ANY buick performance part. Fact. 3) there is no signifcant gain of HP over an M/T vs any other buick header whether its a 360 HP stock 455, or a 1000 HP fire breathing tomahawk big block. Do a search on the board. Fact. 4) You say your helping those who need them but this thread has shown that there just isnt a demand for these headers, the people that wanted them bought them during the last run. I just bought a crusty used set for $200 and they are gonna make the same sound as a shiny unused set.. Fact. 5) the guys on this board are some of the nicest car (not just buick) people in the world. I came here as a know nothing 15 year old 4 years ago and have grown into a pretty smart Buick GS guy. With that being said I still have a lot to learn and I do so on this board everyday. I think it goes to show that this is an open minded board because the mods have let this thread run on. Even though its become a pissing match with you knocking down everyones suggestions to help you. 6) I don't really understand what your saying in regards to the Chevy statement but clearly we do not have the luxury that the Chevy guys do. As a fellow car enthusiast I am sure you frequent car shows often, so let me ask you this: when you attend a show, how many chevelles do you see? How many GS'? I bet there is a massive difference in chevelles compared to GS'. I think most of this board has gravitated towards Buicks because of the rarity and the fact that they are unique and different. With that being said, Sir I applaud your persistance to get another run of these headers done. I hope you stay with Buick and don't turn to Chevy beause of headers.
I was going to say that a few days ago.p I'd love to see any factory dealership add mentioning the headers.
I do believe the MT S/S headers were officially part of the "over-the-counter" Stage 2 high-performance package from Buick in 1969. When the Stage 2 heads came out for the 455, obviously the MT's wouldn't fit so Buick had special Stage 2 headers made. See attached magazine article...
The Stage 2 headers for the Stage 2 heads were made by Kustom. But Buick had a Stage 2 package in 69 (before the Stage 2 heads were made) that used the standard 400 heads.
... from what I understand for '69, there was no "package" per say - there were pieces of the puzzle that made up the Stage_2 package but each piece was odered individually
There was a so called Stage2 package available from GM in '69,but you could order the parts separately.Thats how I ordered mine in early 1969 since I was able to get the Mt headers,edlebrock manifold and Holley 850 less expensive thru vendors vs Gm.The other parts came thru Gm,I got the whole package this way and its currently back on my '69 GS.except for the MTs which are repos. I have an original set of MTs with the four bolt flanges that need some repair, hopefully Ill get this done and get installed in their place. Gary
:gp: ---------- Post added at 11:20 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:18 PM ---------- :gp: ---------- Post added at 11:21 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:20 PM ---------- :gp: ---------- Post added at 11:34 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:21 PM ---------- Wow this is out of hand....why does so many people have a hard on for the m/t ss headers...i'm not sure if i started a poll for headers or started a fire....funny how so many people can say negative comments to me about my pull...then when i say something back that's positive about why we should try to save the headers and don't feed into the negative comments...its o i hope they close this poll and so on wow guys i'm at a lose at this point...i say again thug poll is for anybody looking to save the m/t ss headers no more no less...thanks
Hey good news to those looking to buy M/T SS HEADERS.... a good friend in our club is parting out his 1970 Buick GS Stage 1 his grand total is $7,500 with more parts to go... his mark is $18,000.00 well to make a long story short... he will buy 20 pairs of Headers helping us to be closer if not at the mark needed to make the run YESS!!!!!!!
I would be in for a set if they are going to be good quality ( thick flange for no sealing issues). I have been doing research to weld up my own and still might, but if you guys can do a run of good quality at a reasonable price I will purchase a set :TU:
This is not my ad. http://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/pts/4133859888.html Thought someone might want to email this guy. In SW Chicagoland