Big Chief heads for big block Buick

Discussion in 'Race 400/430/455' started by bigdwg03, Mar 17, 2014.

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  1. gmcgruther

    gmcgruther Well-Known Member

    Your correct, we need to start a new thread on porting and polishing. That would help so many people on here. Not everyone can afford a $1500.00 professional full port job! Here is what I came up with and it is a fact. I remember when it took a lot of thought to do something but now it takes a ton of cash that poor class and some middle class that they don't have. yes I'm in the poor classification and that's why I study my butt off to get where I am now. Tell you what, I'll start a new thread on ported cylinder heads and its open to all cylinder heads that included other makes and models. just tell me where you want it at? Gary.
     
  2. HotRodRivi

    HotRodRivi Tomahawks sighted overseas

    if you can just have one intake and exaughts profeshinnally ported , then try to copy that, that would be cheaper.
     
  3. gmcgruther

    gmcgruther Well-Known Member

    Just think now, every port job is different depending on their engine build! So just copying a. professional ported head won't cut it.. That's why I am still reading David Vizards books and many like his let a lone calling people like Greg Gessler the most imfamous porter for Factory Buick cylinder heads. I have asked so many questions to him I think he don't like me any more , just joking.. I also have called majority of the top cylinder head porters and designers too , to get all the information I can get. This is not so much a hobby of mine, its a obession.I love it though. Its not a job, its a major challenge and its fun to do :)
     
  4. 8ad-f85

    8ad-f85 Well-Known Member

    Good luck getting a head porter to give you one port each.

    If I'm working with a head I'm unfamiliar with, I might have 20-30 hours into the first port, with flowbench time. I rarely recuperate that time loss by the time I duplicate the rest...maybe if I did a few more of the same head!
    Ports are very application specific, within the limits of the casting as well as the overall package. I don't see any porter being paid enough to develop ONE port.

    I have to do a top-end package, or full build to come out OK. FYI.

    Google image search and books are your friend, my friend. Get your die grinder out and start making chips.:cool:
     
  5. TORQUED455

    TORQUED455 Well-Known Member

    So let me get this straight. Admittedly, you don't have a lot of working capital to invest in a professional port job. So you pester "the majority of the top cylinder head porters and designers" for them to give you freely information that has most likely taken them years, thousands of dollars in tooling and equipment, and counterless (free) hours at a flow bench to acquire?? This is just plain rude! Do you call your doctor, lawyer , etc and ask them to train you for free over the phone? Get off the internet and start spending some time with a grinder and flow bench. There is no way that you are going to get good at anything by reading about it in books and trying to mooch info from people who have earned it and by throwing their names around. Some of the best cylinder head porters prefer to fly under the radar.

    The thought of having someone develop one intake and one exhaust port so you can copy it, if you can find someone stupid enough and smart enough to do it, is borderline theft of intellectual property. As one poster mentioned, unless there is a lot of work to go along with the project, just doing a set of heads where a lot of R&D is involved doesn't put food on the table. I understand that this hobby is expensive, but it is still just that - a hobby. Not everyone can afford the best. It's always been that way, and always will be that way.

    So here is the challenge - invest thousands of dollars, thousands of hours and in 10, 20, 30 years, see how you feel about giving away for free what has taken you a lifetime to acquire.
     
  6. 8ad-f85

    8ad-f85 Well-Known Member

    ^^^^Well put, thank you!
     
  7. slimfromnz

    slimfromnz Kiwi Abroad

    ;)
     
  8. HotRodRivi

    HotRodRivi Tomahawks sighted overseas

    Well I didnt say send a head to Hendricks motor sports to get one intake and exh ported. There are plenty of machine shops willing to carve out a chamber for you and let u do the rest. It just dosent sound like a good idear any more. The most benificail way would probably be to send some heads to TA and have them do all the cnc work they do for a certian head to the point ware one could then finish by hand. Thats not mooching any secrets just paying for standard machine work. Then bring a few 12 packs to a shop with a flow bench and see if they will let u use it.
     
  9. gmcgruther

    gmcgruther Well-Known Member

    Wow, man some people have big nuts now a days. maybe if you ever called Darin Morgan at Reher-Morrison then maybe you would find out somethings interesting. Lets see here, Darin is just one of the top five best cylinder head porter and designer! He runs a special every year at Reher morrison for $995.00 that will give you more information then you can gather in 10 years, if you think not, call around to lets say AFR, Profiler cylinder heads, DR J's Performance, Dart, Brodix, Sonny racing engines, I can keep going but I won't, my point is this to people that DON'T KNOW DARIN MORGAN, he says what he does and a lot of the Nascar,Nhra, arca, and of ya even I told Mike at TA PERFORMANCE ABOUT HIM. You shouldn't open your mouth unless you get to know me because I'll prove you wrong on the book part. None of this books tell you exactly where to port but a general area. when you get to know David Vizard and ask questions he does answer them. Oh here is another thing don't talk to me that away unless you have atleast 500,000 Dyno proven experience behind you, then maybe I'll let you talk bs to me, but intil then hush please. Atleast I am trying to help the people that want port their own heads! By the way ,I didn't say " Have A Professnal do one port. of each intake and exhaust... Go back and read a little...
     
  10. gmcgruther

    gmcgruther Well-Known Member

    Maybe if you did your home work, you would of known half the people I know and I'm still calling and asking certain questions, I want to know all I can before headin off to Darins class , Mondello porting school, and then to Rankin college for study in airflow in cylinder heads. I'm sorry I'll have more experience then you have aquired in ten years in just in weekend at Darins class then the rest will be just a given ;) Yes? I can and am doing this... I'm sorry you havent figured out on how to do all out race heads but in time my friend, in time you will. yes, I haven't got to your level yet but, I'll bet ya I will be in less then a year :)
     
  11. TORQUED455

    TORQUED455 Well-Known Member

    Dude. Please. Give it a rest already.
     
  12. TORQUED455

    TORQUED455 Well-Known Member

    WTF are you talking about? Seriously?
     
  13. sean Buick 76

    sean Buick 76 Buick Nut Staff Member

    This thread is a joke...
     
  14. Jim Rodgers

    Jim Rodgers Well-Known Member

    Something about this post cracked me the heck up.
     
  15. gsjohnny1

    gsjohnny1 Well-Known Member

    anybody run out of popcorn yet...........
     
  16. 300sbb_overkill

    300sbb_overkill WWG1WGA. MAGA

    Yes, it seems to of turned that way, hijacked from the OP. The chest thumping hijackers should start their own threads.:puzzled:

    Derek
     
  17. HotRodRivi

    HotRodRivi Tomahawks sighted overseas

    It has eb and flow. I think it helps keep all the other threads clean.
     
  18. sriley531

    sriley531 M.M.O.G.

    A long long time ago. And yet I can't keep from checking this thread every now and then :(
    Haha, that's pretty good! I like that. ;)
     
  19. gmcgruther

    gmcgruther Well-Known Member

    So you are telling me, let this tool say what ever and for get about it ? Really ..
     
  20. gmcgruther

    gmcgruther Well-Known Member

    So I see everyone doesn't want to know how to port their heads correctly? Wow, I thought I'll be a nice guy and post somethings very useful but I see everyone is a professional cylinder head porter on here! It's ok, I won't post no more information on here. Just remember this , Atleast I won't be 20 years behind the ball. I only posted the big names because that is the only way you all are gonna be caught up to date. I see why you guys. lost the best head porter! Only a few on here really knew his true talent, oh well enjoy going slow as I progress. His. name is Greg Gessler.
     
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