timing on passenger side

Discussion in 'Small Block Tech' started by thapachuco, Jun 12, 2012.

  1. DaWildcat

    DaWildcat Platinum Level Contributor

    That may very well be; I don't know how much advance the centrifugal mechanism adds in your particular distributor as the engine speed increases.

    I recommend a "wired" tachometer that is triggered by the distributor. If you want a tach in the passenger compartment that's fine, but it's tough to rely on that when you're tuning under the hood. I still use one of these when tuning: http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_...921x00003a&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=00902165000

    Devon
     
  2. thapachuco

    thapachuco Well-Known Member

    that's exactly the one i have! As you can see it only goes to 2000rpm. So how will i know what my total advance is at 2500rpm as Larry suggested?
     
  3. DaWildcat

    DaWildcat Platinum Level Contributor

    Ha! Sorry, I missed that! My old Sears meter reads to 3000 rpm. Now I see why we need to find you a different tach!

    Of course you can use the Equus tach. Either temporarily wire it so you can see it under the hood or have a helper watch from inside the car.

    Devon
     
  4. mhgs

    mhgs it just takes money !!

    I offered to stop by...I drive through San Jose everyday......I can help you if you'd like.
     
  5. thapachuco

    thapachuco Well-Known Member

    ha, i thought you were just offering the piston stop. About what time do you pass through San Jose?

    ---------- Post added at 01:29 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:28 PM ----------

    just to clarify, advancing is turning my distributor clockwise and retarding is counter... my dist is in the front of the engine, i think thats common for most buicks.
     
  6. DaWildcat

    DaWildcat Platinum Level Contributor

    Nope. You'll have to turn the distributor housing counterclockwise to advance the timing.

    Devon
     
  7. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member


    That is EXACTLY what we need in this situation. Please help The Pachuco:pray:
     
  8. thapachuco

    thapachuco Well-Known Member

    :rant: Gah Dammit!

    ---------- Post added at 01:50 PM ---------- Previous post was at 01:50 PM ----------

    I'll take what i can get at this point. :cool:
     
  9. mhgs

    mhgs it just takes money !!

    where in san jose ??....I can't today, maybe tomorrow after my golf tourney....
     
  10. thapachuco

    thapachuco Well-Known Member

    i'm in willow glen. I'll message you right now.

    Thanks!
     
  11. thapachuco

    thapachuco Well-Known Member

    update:

    I think i may have found the sweet spot.

    Initial timing at 14*
    Total timing at 30*

    The car starts and stops perfectly. When i punch it, it's very responsive. I do not hear any pinging or detonation and it idles at 600-650.

    There is still a slight shake to the engine, but i think it may be due to the carburetor. I think it may time for a rebuild. When i turn the screws there isn't much response unless i bottom out either one of the screws. Bring them back out (rich) stops affecting the idle at a about 2 turns. then nothing.

    My vacuum gauge reads about 5 steady and revving to 2000+ hits 20.
     
  12. sean Buick 76

    sean Buick 76 Buick Nut

    Glad your car is running better and now you know how to set the timing.

    Your vacuum readings sound REALLY low at idle, I would search for a vacuum leak somewhere.

    I would take up mhgs's offer to visit and have a look.
     
  13. thapachuco

    thapachuco Well-Known Member

    well, i kind of just guessed with the timing. I had it set at 32* total in the beginning and tried to bring the idle down and smooth out the engine, but it just didnt sound right.

    So i brought it down to 30 and it made it a little smoother. Maybe im just crazy and maybe 2* wont change anything that much :Do No:

    Any idea what the vacuum should be at idle? Maybe that's why the engine is shaking a bit due to a vacuum leak.

    I still do plan on meeting up with mhgs.
     
  14. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    5" at idle is VERY low. I'm not sure you understand how to time the engine. Every time I think you understand, you say something that tells me you don't. Some guys need to be shown. If I lived close by, I would show you myself. Take advantage of mhgs's offer. Let him look at it. Your engine is no where near to running right. A healthy stock engine should make 20" of vacuum at IDLE.
     
  15. thapachuco

    thapachuco Well-Known Member

    Damn...

    well we do have an Oakland in California... :)
     
  16. mhgs

    mhgs it just takes money !!

    where are you taking the vacuum reading ??...almost sounds like you are on a ported line...which might not be truly closing and showing the 5 inches. With 5 at idle I'm surprised it would even run.
     
  17. sean Buick 76

    sean Buick 76 Buick Nut

    DING DING DING, we have a winner!!!! I agree 100%!
     
  18. thapachuco

    thapachuco Well-Known Member

    carb.jpg
    I am taking the reading from here, this is also where my vacuum advance is plugged into. I understood that this was manifold vacuum.

    I can try it from a source directly on the manifold (behind the carb) and see if it changes.

    if it's supposed to be at 20 at idle, how high will it go when accelerating? I know that at wide open throttle it will drop, but it usually increases until that point, right?
     
  19. sean Buick 76

    sean Buick 76 Buick Nut

    I am not familiar with that carb however:

    If you have a ported vacuum source it will give none or very low vacuum at idle and then max out at part throttle under light load. The manifold vacuum will usually give 15-20 inches of vacuum at idle and this will decrease as the RPM and load increases. Under full throttle either vacuum source should be close to zero.
     
  20. thapachuco

    thapachuco Well-Known Member

    i will try it at a port right on the manifold. thanks for the tip
     

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