http://www.theblaze.com/stories/who...-alabama-utility-contradicts-their-statement/ I always like to check things out before I accept it as truth. This thing went viral, and it is unclear to me what exactly happened. I expect it will take a few days to get the real truth. It makes no sense to me at all.
That guy is fullabull. It's just going to take whatever time it takes the pump to get it out. If the walls collapsed due to the rate of pumping, I'd already be dead from some flooding that happened on my last ship when I was in the Navy...when some mental midget set fire to an AAAF station. BTW, I hope for the best for all youse guys back there that have had this happen to you. My advice is to move to higher ground, inland. I know that that is likely an expensive proposition, but it's only going to get worse. Global warming deniers can go suck eggs, or better yet, live on the windward side of the low areas. It's real, people, not just arguments from hacked scientist's accounts.
Could be true, IF the local shop steward, or their representative, chose to enforce such a rule. Otherwise, I'm inclined to wait for the rest of the story. Were I to be one waiting for power restoration, it wouldn't matter whether the workers were union, non union, or just capable of doing the job. In emergency situations, common sense ought to prevail over union certification.
Quoted: BTW, I hope for the best for all youse guys back there that have had this happen to you. My advice is to move to higher ground, inland. I know that that is likely an expensive proposition, but it's only going to get worse. Global warming deniers can go suck eggs, or better yet, live on the windward side of the low areas. It's real, people, not just arguments from hacked scientist's accounts. It amazes me some times. I read what people write and it amazes me. Why you would use a thread like this to further a political propaganda or agenda. But, let me retort. Before some folks in the scientific and political world got together and decided to name a phenomenon known to the rest of us as WEATHER, there was this thing called WEATHER. Weather at times can be severe due to many factors. During the Hurricane season there are these weather events that happen. They are called tropical storms and Hurricanes. Some don't do any damage. Some are devastating. In 1938, there was a storm known as the Yankee Clipper. That storm redefined the coastline of New England and Long Island. Due to factors such as moon phase, and tide times the storm surge on such storms can triple ones of a storm in a different moon phase and tidal time. Sandy, due to her size, effected 4 tidal cycles and we were in the first day of a full moon when she hit. Perfect for causing severe tidal surge. There was a low pressure system in the North Atlantic that caused her to turn left instead of right. There was another system that was over the north central part of the US coming down from Canada that enabled her to double in size due to the fact it slowed her over warmer waters. All of this was reported by all meteorologist that I watched. Not one of these Scientist mentioned anything but the FACTS that the aforementioned weather phenomenons caused this storm and the damage. I will agree we have polluted the earth just by the mere fact of our inhabitance on it. However, we have learned from our mistakes and are striving to pollute less. We are a society hooked on energy. We have aboundant sources of making this energy. As time goes by we get smarter and more efficient in its use. We have opposable thumbs and minds that ever evolve thus making us the most capable being on the earth. I will conclude with this- WEATHER happens!!! There is no way to stop it or CHANGE IT. I didn't post this post to debate or ask for corresponding opinions. I will not respond any further nor read any further response from this thread. At this time I must now load my truck with clean clothes and canned food and bring it to persons who have lost everything to a SEVERE WEATHER EVENT!
I agree with you, but experience tells me that this could be true. Some years ago I was working for a company that sold and serviced commercial kitchen equipment. I was to install a Hobart Flite (conveyer belt) dishwasher in a large cosmetics-manufacturing company cafeteria in Connecticut. The machine was in place, to do the hookups would have taken me about a day working alone. The plant was still getting the final touches of construction, although manufacturing test runs had actually started. The construction Union Steward literally pounced on me and would not allow me to pick up a tool, or physically touch any parts or materials. I was allowed to direct three union electricians and plumbers for two full days - to do a job that I could have done alone in one. Please don't make any nasty remarks if you are a union worker. I was a union member for 23 years. However turning away help in a crisis due to lack of union membership is disgraceful, if it actually happened. Part 2: I would like to make some kind of financial donation to those in NY - NJ who are in need. I could donate to the Red Cross, but I remember the Oakland CA fire in 1991. It was not the Red Cross' finest hour. Many people who needed it received no help, while the head of the Red Cross was earning $300,000 plus. I want to be sure that all of my donation goes where it is needed. Is there a local organization in the NY - NJ area that is trustworthy?
I agree with you John, if it did happen, there is no excuse for it. My problem is that there is no way to tell whether it is true or not once the internet gets a hold of things. That quote "A lie can make it around the world many times, before the truth even gets it's boots on" really applies here. I think the biggest problem we have here in this country is getting the actual unbiased truth. Everything gets spun.
I meant to mention this in my previous post, but forgot. At 7:15 AM today, my wife and I were awakened by what at first I thought was a chainsaw. It turned out to be a union construction worker cutting pavement. (They are installing water mains in a street immediately next to our house and the contract called for them to be done by October 31). As it became light, I observed that his rotary cutter which looks like a Skil saw on steroids, is not liquid cooled. The dust was everywhere. The operator of the cutter was almost invisible in the huge dust cloud. When he finally stopped cutting, I could clearly see that he was not wearing a respirator nor even a gauze dust mask. What the hell is wrong with people? Where was his supervisor? Where was the union steward?
Probably shouldn't have. At the time I was PO'd at the unions for not allowing the Decator power guys to work in New York. I've had a couple of cups of coffee, and I'm calmer now.
That's OK John, BTW, I'm not happy either IF it is true. It bothers me more that this has gone viral, and it may not be true at all. I just want the truth. http://money.msn.com/politics/post.aspx?post=f10196ea-b637-4c70-9e4e-daf819b06d38 http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57544237/ala-utilities-our-crews-not-turned-away-from-n.j/ http://www.waff.com/story/19981857/some-nonunion-ala-crews-turned-away-from-sandy-recovery
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You can get the party started by moving away from all those fault lines in California. My advice is to move to stable ground, inland. I know that that is likely an expensive proposition, but the big one is coming. Pretty sure all those fault lines running through California are real fault lines. California earthquake deniers can go suck eggs, or better yet, live on the side of the San Andreas fault that will eventually become part of the Pacific ocean. It's real, people, not just arguments from hacked scientist's accounts.
I feel badly for you up there in the wake of this storm. I remember well that when Katrina hit us down south you were feeling badly for us. I certainly hope that you can all come out of this without your personal posessions ruined, and especially none of your loved ones health or safety. Save a Buick along the way if you can. I do hope that the authorities come to their senses and bus people out of there like after Katrina before the next storm hits. They are predicting a bad weather system to come through next week. Rain and cold temperatures. The people who lost their shelter need to get out of there, to a hotel or motel somewhere else. Maybe I'm an alarmist, but that's just how I see it. A wrecked house with no heat is not a safe place to stay. Or wandering around in the rubble with no shelter because there is no standing house anymore. Katrina was different. After the storm we had hot weather that was uncomfortable. Not winter weather that could kill you. This could play out worse unless everybody gets their act together. Hope I'm not over reacting but just trying to be thinking on the safe side. News interviews with crying people isn't getting them any safer than they were before. It's just good Television. If you know what I mean. Mike
"They are predicting a bad weather system to come through next week. Rain and cold temperatures. The people who lost their shelter need to get out of there, to a hotel or motel somewhere else." My wife works in a travel agency and they have an outside agent that lives in an affected area that was under mandatory evacuation. They had to find a hotel, and the nearest one they could find with any rooms available was in Scranton, PA. I don't know the actual distance but thats a long way from where they live. To me that means there is basically no place for these people to go right now, especially if there is no gas to get out anyway. Mike is right, this could turn out much worse unless people get shelter and warmth soon. Duane
Help has come a little slow in the shoreline affected areas. All you see on TV are the politicians posturing about what there going to do but very little seems to be getting done. The Mayor dropped the ball with the Marithon issue, people were outraged. Folks in the city are facing no power for another week and it's in the 30's right now with another storm on the way. The damage here was overwhelming and it will be years before it is all fixed. The worst thing Iv'e seen is the gas line situation. Police are now babysitting the gas stations because of brawls over whatever gas is available. People need to power generators and get out of town to a better spot with their cars, police and national guard need to get on the same page as do the officials. No one has answers for these people who need to know what to do and where to go. God help these folks if this weeks storm is bad !!!
I am an A/C contractor not an electrician but I have wired up many, many 1000 hp high voltage motors and starters so I understand the dangers of arc flash. When Andrew hit Miami and there were live power lines I was turning off power to transformers, the power company showed up and tried to have me arrested. I had the safety gear in my truck and was using it but they wanted to be jerks. Cops told them to buzz off saying I was trying to save lives. Mikey
Looking at the pictures reminds me of what I saw in person after Hurricane Hugo hit South Caolina coast in 1989. The inland damage is not as bad as that which Hugo caused because the winds were so much higher in Hugo but the coast line damage is very similar. It was reported by the Red Cross that the geographic size of the disaster area is about the size of Europe. Considering the geographic size of the area affected, the fact that no disaster response will ever be perfect, and the special issues created by the high popultion densities of NYC and Jersey, the authorities have mounted one hell of a response so far. Before this I cannot recall ever seeing the US Air Force flying in power trucks and generators. Another example, is the US government bringing in and pumping free fuel. Just as a frame of reference when Hurricane Fran hit us in 1996, many here were out of power for 1-2 weeks. It is not coming back overnight. In many cases the infrastructure for gas and electric has to be rebuilt in record time. Ron is right when he says recovery is going to take years.
I'm amazed they tried to get NYC bck up and running so quickly. What's the point of opening wallstreet when there's no practical way in or out of NYC and half the neighborhood still doesn't have power? Keep the muckity mucks home and let the actual residents get the help they need. Everytime some big money broker goes into the city it just uses up more resources that could be going towards the folks who actually need it. Girlfriend has a couple friends who live in NYC and were actually trapped in their building for 2 days because the water was actually holding the door shut. They had to wait for it to go down so that they could get the buildings door open.
