Re: Free Oil!!!!! Come Get'cha Free Oil!!!! Sound good Bill. I know you, and your a digger too when it comes to getting info :TU: Heard this on the radio maybe someone can disprove or verify I haven't had time to check but it sounds way out there on the reality scale. I heard that the Russians have used a process to stop well leaks before by blowing up the well head with high explosives. And with this unconfirmed info I heard that BP does not want to attempt this as once the well head is shut down for good they can no longer drill at this site thus losing billions from from a lost well investment. Where as if they start drilling next to the leak to cap the well head they would not lose the site, but by doing this would leave the leak flowing oil in the gulf into August. This sounds way out in left field here. Maybe someone else can give inside, is this bullsh1t or a viable solution.
Re: Free Oil!!!!! Come Get'cha Free Oil!!!! I kind of wondered myself if they are unable to stop the leak if the government would let the military somehow use explosives(nuclear bomb) to stop the leak somehow. But I guess the depth makes it impossible. Bert
Re: Free Oil!!!!! Come Get'cha Free Oil!!!! From what I've read (undocumented sources), the Ruskies used no less than 3 nukes on spills. Now, I'm not quite sure I'd like to see that approach. It would seem to me the aftermath would include a VERY large sinkhole. I also wonder what the blast would leave behind- lotsa more oil broken down into particles distributed from the gulf to the Atl.
Re: Free Oil!!!!! Come Get'cha Free Oil!!!! Steady, Bill. Without us, there would be no such thing as a Buick.
Re: Free Oil!!!!! Come Get'cha Free Oil!!!! Back on topic, I am still trying to justify a 1700 mile trip each way just to get my "free oil".:grin: :bla:
Re: Free Oil!!!!! Come Get'cha Free Oil!!!! . http://bp.concerts.com/gom/kentwells_update24052010.htm
Re: Free Oil!!!!! Come Get'cha Free Oil!!!! Hmmmmm, might have been worth it.... :bla: Brother, bring a few shovels, trash bags for the beach. If you want the oil soaked boom that has been broken, overtopped and pushed ashore, you're gonna need heavy equipment to haul it out and to your rig. After that-well I'm suuuure someone there will help you with the rest :idea2: Spoke to a good old friend of mine that I used to run the sound board for their band's gigs. The $ is coming very slow for the workers. He said by the time they got paid (over 3-4 weeks later) they had little left after paying off their bills.Anyone remember the "company stores back in the day"? Kinda like that. Yesterday my cute little neighbor and her BF started out of Hopedale as a deck hand. She quit. The smell of the benzine and touluine (sp?)et. al. made her ill. A couple of people have fallen overboard due to the smell of the dozens of chemicals. Not good. And finally (for this post) IT'S OFFICIAL!!!!!!!!!!!! WORST SPILL EVER!!!!!!!!! EXXON VALDEZ= 11,396,000 Gallons. DEEPWATER HORIZON= 18,000,000 TO 28,000,000 gallons!!!!!!!
Re: Free Oil!!!!! Come Get'cha Free Oil!!!! Ixtoc I oil spill, Gulf of Mexico 1979-1980 = 126,000,000 gallons. Persian Gulf War 1991 = 461,790,000 gallons. Devon
Re: Free Oil!!!!! Come Get'cha Free Oil!!!! A thick, 22-mile plume of oil discovered by researchers off the BP spill site was nearing an underwater canyon, where it could poison the foodchain for sealife in the waters off Florida. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100528/ap_on_re_us/us_oil_spill_new_plume BP cementing engineer refuses to admit his actions were wrong: http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-spill/index.ssf/2010/05/hearings_bp_cementing_engineer.html It's not good when they exercise their 5th amendment rights: http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-spill/index.ssf/2010/05/hearings_1.html This is a brown pelican. This is our state bird. After decades on the endangered species list, it was taken off 6 months ago. Right now they have video of boom surrounding small islands that the pelicans use as breeding grounds. Some of that boom has been broken, overtopped and pushed ashore. This particular bird could not stay in flight for more than a few seconds before the weight of the oil forced it back down. It is unlikely that this representation of our state and the comeback of Pelicans is alive....:ball: Ok this is enough for a while. 'm going to garden and look at birds.
Re: Free Oil!!!!! Come Get'cha Free Oil!!!! Devon I meant worst AMERICAN spill. I forgot what caused Mexico's spill, but the Gulf war was due to retreating Iraqi forces. I do not count that as it could be reclaimed from the sand and did not occur in important waters, killing the food chain,marshes, estuaries and putting tens of thousands of people in the poor house, BEFORE it ends up affecting the ENTIRE US.....
Re: Free Oil!!!!! Come Get'cha Free Oil!!!! BP representative Hugh Depland said that while the company wasn’t sure exactly when more workers would be hired, the $239 billion company was spending “a lot of money, time and effort to bring this event to a close.” And to those worried restaurateurs facing rising prices for shrimp and oysters? In the words of fellow BP rep Randy Prescott: “Louisiana isn’t the only place that has shrimp.” :shock: I just left Randy a nice message.:rant: I reminded him of how good of a shot folks down here are. I also suggested he read up on Gen Packenham and the Battle of New Orleans which actually took place 1 mile from my house in Chalmette.:blast: I have been sad today, but now nearly blind rage has taken over. If he were to show up on my doorstop right now, he would never be seen again.:af: Give old BP Rep. Randy a call713) 323-4093 Also last night I mat a lady from Texas who came down to visit family and work in Venice. Good thing she is packing: There are over 200 ex-cons working this spill on work release/parole. She has been told by Bp she could not have her gun in her 'vert or in her room as BP is renting it.:shock: She explained this to a cop and he replied " If you do not take it into your room, I will arrest you myself.:beer And this comes from a geologist. How much is speculation, I don't know. But best case scenario is a pregnant pooch. :shock: Anon. Geologist: (most of this I KNOW TO BE TRUE) "Legislation the Obama administration, BP lawyers and the US Congress are now planning will change the BP liability disaster cap from 75 Million to 1 Billion. Sound like a lot to you? Think again. Peanuts is the word that comes to mind. There should be NO LIMIT assigned to their liability as we have no idea how much this is going to cost to stop and clean up if that is even possible. All of the assets of BP will likely have to be seized to payback those affected and clean up this mess for decades to come. This MEGA DISASTER is just now beginning to unfold. Half the water in the Gulf of Mexico has been affected. Countless fish and animals in the Gulf are dying from oil poison, toxic deadly dispersant's and oxygen starvation. The American people are crying out for help as never before in their history as the full extent of this catastrophe becomes apparent. Their fears are well justified. Massive Dutch skimmer ships have offered their assistance and been turned down by the EPA for frivolous reasons. Dispersant's should be stopped immediately and skimming begun. That would be far more effective. Only recently, has the Coast Guard understood the magnitude of the disaster, dispatching nearly 70 vessels to the affected area. I have also learned that inspections of off-shore rigs' and their shut-off valves by the Minerals Management Service during the Bush administration were merely rubber-stamp operations, resulting from criminal collusion between Halliburton and the Interior Department's service, and that the potential for similar disasters exists with the other 30,000 off-shore rigs that use the same shut-off valves. The BP ATLANTIS oil rig handles far more oil and according to a 60 minutes report was put together with NO WELDING INSPECTIONS and other examples of shoddy workmanship. It could blow at any time resulting in an even larger oil volcano in the Gulf. The impact of the disaster became known to the Corps of Engineers and FEMA even before the White House began to take the magnitude of the impending catastrophe seriously. The first casualty of the disaster is the seafood industry, with not just fishermen, oyster men, crabbers, and shrimpers losing their jobs, but all those involved in the restaurant industry, from truckers to waitresses, facing lay-offs. The invasion of crude oil into estuaries like the oyster-rich Apalachicola Bay in Florida spell disaster for the seafood industry. However, the biggest threat is to Florida's famous white sandy beaches, delicate Coral Reefs and Everglades, which federal and state experts fear will be turned into a "dead zone" if the oil continues to gush forth from the Gulf Oil Volcano. There are also expectations that the oil lakes and rivers will be caught up in the Gulf stream off the eastern seaboard of the United States, fouling beaches and estuaries like the Chesapeake Bay, and ultimately target the rich fishing grounds of the Grand Banks off Newfoundland after blackening Florida's east and west coast billion dollar beaches. I have also learned that 36 urban areas on the Gulf of Mexico are expecting to be confronted with a major disaster from the oil volcano in the week or two. Although protective water surface booms are being laid to protect such sensitive areas as Alabama's Dauphin Island, the mouth of the Mississippi River, and Florida's Apalachicola Bay, Florida, there is only 16 miles of booms available for the protection of 2,276 miles of tidal shoreline in the state of Florida. In all reality boom does little to stop the flow of oil regardless...just looks prettier for the media cameras. Oil flows easily over and under the booms. Emergency preparations in dealing with the expanding oil menace are now secretly being made for cities and towns from Corpus Christi, Texas, to Houston, New Orleans, Gulfport, Mobile, Pensacola, Tampa-St.Petersburg-Clearwater, Sarasota-Bradenton, Naples, and Key West. Some 36 FEMA-funded contracts between cities, towns, and counties and emergency workers are due to be invoked within days, if not hours, according to my FEMA sources speaking off the record. There are plans to evacuate people with respiratory problems, especially those among the retired senior population along the west coast of Florida, before officials begin burning surface oil as it begins to near the coastline. There is another major threat looming for inland towns and cities. With hurricane season in effect, there is a potential for ocean oil to be picked up by hurricane-driven rains and dropped into fresh water lakes and rivers, far from the ocean, thus adding to the deadly pollution of water supplies and eco-systems. The entire state of Florida could become a virtual dead zone should that occur. The Gulf stream will then take the toxic black poison up the east coast and then across the Atlantic Ocean with the British Isles as the next target. This massive deposit of natural gas and oils is huge beyond comprehension. It is one of the largest hydrocarbon deposits ever found on the planet. This deposit has been legendary to those of us in the oil business since 1988. It has the capacity to produce 500,000 barrels / day of high quality crude oil for at least 15 years. Pressures in this 25,000 square mile deposit have been measured at up to 175,000 psi, one of the highest pressures in the history of the oil patch. It is highly dangerous to go about poking holes in it as we are seeing. The deposit is so huge it is leaking natural gas and oil as far north as Jackson, Mississippi, Birmingham Alabama, into Florida and across the Gulf almost to Galveston, Texas. Looking at sub suface pressure readings I cannot believe this blowout will be successfully halted by any down flow methods we are now seeing attempted. There is just too much high pressure hydrocarbon out flow to stop. My prediction is that after the long Memorial Day weekend we shall see the oil gushing out of the same pipes unhindered. It will be about into September before the two relief wells now being drilled will have a chance to halt this massive oil volcano. That will be too late to save the Gulf of Mexico for 100 years. It is almost too late already. If this oil volcano is not capped it has the potential to kill all life in all the oceans of the planet. That is the reality we are facing and are slowly being spoon fed by officials. As T Boone Pickens recently said. 'There will be plenty of time to throw stones and panic later on..now we must all work together to cap that well and stop the oil damage' The future of life as we know it on Planet Earth hangs in the balance.
Re: Free Oil!!!!! Come Get'cha Free Oil!!!! OK anyone else got an idea????:idea2: :ball: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100529/ap_on_bi_ge/us_gulf_oil_spill
Re: Free Oil!!!!! Come Get'cha Free Oil!!!! Looks like there is a bigger leak 5 miles away. http://www.zerohedge.com/article/pr...heres-another-leak-much-bigger-5-6-miles-away Guess the sea floor is really opening up now. Is a collapse imminent?
Re: Free Oil!!!!! Come Get'cha Free Oil!!!! I have not been a particularly religious man in my life but i am PRAYING to the lord to stop this...ever single waking moment since this happened. ray: Peace WildBill
Re: Free Oil!!!!! Come Get'cha Free Oil!!!! I just saw this on an "alternate" news site. I surely hope they aren't really seriously considering nuking the oil leak! Hopefully, this is just rhetoric. http://theintelhub.com/2010/05/28/simmons-calls-for-obama-to-take-over-bp-military-to-nuke-oil-leak/
Re: Free Oil!!!!! Come Get'cha Free Oil!!!! I believe its been used before, it closes it off from the collapse of dirt and rock from the explosion, but I guess it could make it worse too its just always closed it off in the past. I just have a feeling this whole operation is veeeery corrupt and everything we're being told by BP is a lie or half truth.
Re: Free Oil!!!!! Come Get'cha Free Oil!!!! Just about some oysters...... Oh yeah, happy Hurricane season to all my "coast pals"......:shock: http://www.nola.com/news/gulf-oil-spill/index.ssf/2010/05/bp_oil_spills_impact_puts_a_la.html On Tuesday, May 18, two days before oil entered Caminada Bay, threatening to poison the water where the Collins family has been harvesting prized Louisiana oysters for five generations, Nick and Levy Collins III were driving toward their docked boat in Grand Isle, cataloging the sundry factors that imperiled their livelihood. Spilled oil did not top the list. "I'm more worried about the dispersants," Nick Collins said, referring to Corexit, the chemical the Environmental Protection Agency would soon order BP to cease spraying in its efforts to break up the oil gushing into the Gulf of Mexico as a result of the fatal Deepwater Horizon oil platform explosion on April 20. Nick, who's 38, and Levy, 51, wore rough, days-old beards, aerodynamic sunglasses and brown-stained jeans and T-shirts. Both have been oystering since before they were allowed to legally drive. Levy's son, Levy IV, has been at it for nearly a decade. He's 26. The radio in the cab of Nick's Ford F-350 pick-up transmitted updated estimates of the amount of unchecked oil polluting the Gulf. But Nick voiced louder concerns for the diverted Mississippi River water pushing the spill offshore. "Too much fresh water, too much salt water, it kills these oysters," Nick explained with an exhale of cigarette smoke. It's a painful lesson he relearns every time a hurricane violently churns Louisiana's coastal waters -- an all-too frequent occurrence in recent years. But even if the oysters survived the diversions, the salinity of Caminada Bay's water could be altered in a way that diminishes the quality of an oyster that once compelled Andre Soltner, chef-proprietor of the legendary Manhattan French restaurant Lutece, to call Nick's father Wilbert at his home in Golden Meadow to tell him, "That's the best oyster I've ever had." That was three decades ago. The intervening years have seen yields reduced to the point where oystermen living along Bayou Lafourche have become an endangered species themselves. The family perseveres in large part because they believe the oysters they cultivate on their reefs near the island of Cheniere Caminada -- namesake of the Cheniere Caminada Hurricane that killed an estimated 2,000 people in 1893 -- remain worthy of hassle and heartbreak. "Don't get me wrong, you can get great oysters out of Grand Lake, Snail Bay, Bayou Saint Denis," Nick said, referencing some of the other areas he works along with the Collins Oyster Co.'s eight or so employees, most of them close relatives. "But they don't taste as good as these." ......................... On Friday, May 14, Wilbert Collins stood in the living room of his split-level brick house in Golden Meadow, holding a photograph of a boat so overloaded with oysters it appeared on the verge of sinking. "We can't do that no more," he said of the large haul. "Not enough oysters." The photo dates to the beginning of Collins' professional life in the 1940s or '50s, an era in which he still seems firmly rooted, provided you ignore the cell phone causing the breast pocket of his work shirt to hang near the midsection of his rail-thin frame. At 72, Wilbert is still, as his son Nick has it, known to "give it hell" out on the water, but these days he does so with less frequency than years past. Where the Collins Oyster Co. once sent 18 wheelers filled with oysters to a distributor in Houma and, later, the P&J Oyster Company in New Orleans, the lion's share of its business today is conducted retail from a small converted house along Highway 1 in Golden Meadow. The building sits just behind Wilbert's private residence, where on May 14 he fielded calls from customers hungry to buy. The Collins' leases in Caminada Bay, which they've held since the 1930s, are located within oyster harvesting Area 13. The area was officially open to commercial and recreational fishermen (it has since been closed), but the family's concern about the purity of the water made them leery of putting any of their three boats to work. To a customer who called on May 14 inquiring about a sack, Wilbert said, "We're not shut down. We're just not fishing till next week." The most frequent caller was Bryan R. Bourque, owner of Black's Seafood Market, the Abbeville-based seafood distributor that is the Collins' lone commercial client. "He called me three times yesterday and once this morning," Collins cracked, "but the day's still young." The business relationship dates to the 1970s, when Bourque's father Black noticed something about the oysters coming into Black's Seafood Restaurant in Abbeville. "We had an oyster person who dropped oysters off," Bryan Bourque explained. "On the tags of those oysters they put the name of the person they got the oysters from, and when the tag said 'Collins,' they were always the best oyster." Black Bourque made Collins the sole provider of oysters to his restaurant. When Bryan sold the restaurant in 2006 (new owners closed it permanently in 2009), the same exclusive arrangement carried over to his seafood market. "Just with us and our families and the people we employ, it might not seem like very much," Nick said of his family's compact empire. "But if we have to stop, you're affecting 40 lives right there. And that's not counting the people who eat the oysters." While the number of people who consume the Collins' product has declined, the quality, according to people who have eaten them for years, has not. Al Sunseri, co-owner and president of P&J, calls Collins' Caminada Bay oysters "the epitome of what an oyster is." Tidal currents that pass over the family's leases carry an ideal mixture of salt and fresh water that filters through the oysters and strengthens their flesh, resulting in firmer, saltier meat. "They're like a lot of the oysters we used to have in Bayou Cook, Grand Bayou, Grand Lake -- the oysters that put P&J on the map," Sunseri said. "It's not that they just have this salt flavor, but they have this oyster flavor. We just don't see that that much anymore." The most prized oysters on Collins' Caminada reefs this season were harvested in the fall from public grounds in Black Bay and from their private leases in Snail Bay. They were replanted in Caminada, where the nutrient-rich waters work like a naturally occurring marinade as the oysters reach plump adulthood. The cultivation process is the molluskian corollary to a rancher feeding corn to cattle in the weeks leading up to slaughter. It is also laborious, and it exposes the oysters to an ecosystem swarming with predators who appreciate the oysters as much as the Collins' paying customers. "You've got the drum fish. You got the snails. And you got the thieves," Nick said, ticking off just a few of the reasons his business would flabbergast an efficiency expert. "You got a lot chewing on your profits that is not labor, equipment or fuel." "Nobody wants to plant oysters anymore," Wilbert said. The family's efforts fuel a small business whose real value may be in the validation it brings. During the holidays, Wilbert said traffic cops are sometimes necessary to manage the flow of cars that bottleneck Highway 1 leading up to the store. Levy tells stories about friendly neighbors coming to fisticuffs when the stock runs low. "You've got guys complaining about four sacks to guys who didn't get any," Nick said. "BP can't put a price on our oysters." The bulk of the final load Nick and Levy pulled out of Caminada before the oil came in went to Shuck's seafood house in Abbeville, a town that fancies itself the Oyster Capital of Acadiana. Shuck's serves nothing but Collins oysters on the half-shell, which amounts to upwards of 600 sacks a month, according to co-owner David Bertrand. On Saturday, they were sweet and juicy, if a shade less salty for having been harvested after the diverted fresh water had filtered through them. But their toned, muscular flesh only added to the sensation of eating something fully alive. "We serve them, because we think they're the best in Louisiana," Bertrand said of Collins' product. "If I have to go to Texas to get oysters next week, then I guess that's what we'll have to do." ............................. Back on May 18, Nick steered the Broad & Tracy, the newest vessel in his family's three-boat fleet, toward an oyster lease marked by white PVC pipe. The 57-foot boat was built in 1993, before the first of its namesakes -- the brothers' grandfather Levy "Broad" Collins Jr. -- died, and its second -- Nick and Levy's brother Tracy -- left oystering to work for his father-in-law in the oil business. "It cost a pretty penny, but it's a strong boat," Nick explained, pointing out that the hull is made of thick fiberglass. "It's going to last longer than we are." Today's plan was not to harvest oysters for sale but to personally survey the conditions; dredge enough oysters to bring a sack or two home for personal consumption and empty traps set for oyster drill snails, a problematic predator but also a delicacy locals call "bigarno." In choosing not to dredge with abandon while the waters remained open to fishing, the Collinses were exercising caution but also hoping that the spill wouldn't enter the bay. "We could go out and fill up the boat," Nick explained. "But then we wouldn't have anything left to fish in the fall." Staring out over the water, Nick was encouraged by what he saw: "It's kind of green, kind of clear. I don't really see any ugliness to it with oil or anything." As the Broad & Tracy approached the first lease, Levi leaned over the boat's side with a long metal hook to pull up a repurposed crab trap connected by rope to a buoy fashioned out of a plastic laundry detergent bottle. The trap was baited with an oyster the snails had sucked clean of meat. Levi shook the trap until everything in it -- not just snails but blue crabs, baby shrimp and flounder, hermit crabs and clams -- was spread on the boat's pine deck. The snapshot of the marine life below caused Nick to muster a rare, prideful smile. "You can catch all sorts of saltwater aquatic out here," he said. The brothers turned their attention to oysters in mid-afternoon. The dredger is an industrial-strength rake that approximates the incisors of a carnivorous dinosaur. The clatter of rusty chain and hard shells hitting metal announced the arrival of the first batch, from which Levi pulled a handful of the oysters first harvested from Black Bay. He shucked one for each person on board. The sun had warmed the oyster's meat, relaxing the flesh, which tasted of clean ocean water. Levy's assessment: "Not overly salty. I don't taste any oil. I can't taste any dispersant, but I don't know what it tastes like." The sense of relief was interrupted when Nick stopped the boat en route to another lease. The water surrounding the Broad & Tracy was tinted red. "That's not good," Nick said. "Now I got to call someone big and tell them they're crazy to have this open." When he emerged from the cabin a few minutes later he was no less concerned, despite the fact that an LSU professor had assured him the water was discolored by an algae likely caused by the rising levels of fresh water. "He's acting like it's a common thing," Nick said. "I never seen it in my life." Nick's mood darkened to the point where he started to think aloud about the oil that had yet to arrive. Oil that in two days would close the bay to fishing. "Personally, if it comes inside (Caminada Bay), I'm moving to Canada to fish halibut," he said. "I like to oyster, but if I can't have this oyster, it doesn't make no sense to oyster anymore." Nick returned to the cabin and pointed the Broad & Tracy in the direction of more traps. Levi spent the remainder of the afternoon pulling them in, creating a growing heap of snails on the boat's deck. In the time it took to get from one trap to the next, Levi culled the pile of bycatch, throwing it all -- the hermit crabs, the blue crabs, the stone crabs, the spade fish, the baby shrimp, the flounder and the rest of it -- over the side, back into the unknown.
Re: Free Oil!!!!! Come Get'cha Free Oil!!!! They are referring to Red Adair's use of explosives to snuff an oil-rig *fire* ... the explosives do not *stop* the flow of petroleum out of the well. Imagine you're holding a lit match and you blow a puff of air at the match - this is the same effect as using explosives to "blow out the well fire". Why they suggest using explosives to stop the flow is beyond my understanding. That would be catastrophic in my opinion - it would further weaken the structure of the bed.
