well, i hope the guy i bought the m1 from never asks for it back. it beyond being a mopar now. cut out the useless material. ready for the bandsaw and remachining it to fit the plates. just have to find a shop with a good straight saw.
on a serious note. hardly anybody replies to this thread one way or another. i could have just done it and not tell anybody. this may be why nobody will do a 350 intake............ i am not looking for any credit on this. just going thru the process to save you some time if you decide to do one. no secrets here. its up to you. john
if i were not burried deep into a kitchen/whole house remodel . i would be very involved in this intake endevor. I have been down this road on my own in the past . there is NOTHING availible for a 300 buick intake wise. i have hit a wall with the 300's mid 12's AINT FAST enough any more. a BBB is a tight fit in a 64 chassis and i am too stubborn/crazy to take the easy path.A 350 is in my future plans N/A preferably but a power adder is not out of the question. I do appreciate all your hard work. and will find a way to pony up some $$$$ when you get it figured out and have a product to offer. enough of my incoherent babbling for now :3gears:
John, Busier than a butt kickin' here buddy all of a sudden. It's still my turn to call. Keep working that mopar angle though like you are, I am leaning that way more and more. Once you get yours done and on, I have a feeling every NA guy out there will be beating your door down. I have some other calls to make this weekend, may just have to take a afternoon off and catch up with calls I have promised to make. Sounds like a plan to me, hit the speaker phone and set the cooler next to the phone and have some fun talking to folks, HAHA. I'll explain more later......
GSJonny, I'm with you all the way! I'll send a donation towards the cause if you feel it would help, I'm excited about your project! Your right though, there are very few of us that are serious about making big power with 350's...
sean, no donations accepted, send a good looking babe to work on my back. really out of shape doing all this machining. but, food for thought. i work for a toro distributor. i was looking at an engine job the shop was doing on a kubota engine. neat design. why, because they have the crank like a camshaft. it slides in. talk about having a beefy bottom end. now that has me thinking.........."honey, i need a bigger machine". :grin: dave, just think how much boost you could put to that kind of block :grin: :grin:
'very few are serious' is an understatement. :Smarty: i am do this half-ass diary for everybody and am looking for replies and ideas back. we can discuss anything about this project. it doesnt matter if it doesnt make sense on this project, but a spinoff might work on something else. you wouldnt believe how many ideas i bounce around in my head. some plain stupid, others for future use. so, if you have something to say even if it doesnt pertain to the manifold, bring it up. we all can discuss it. i even bounce them off my wife and keeps giving me weirds looks.........i think she thinks i am crazy :laugh:
ORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR, She has finally given in to the facts, as they have been repeatedly presented to her over the years, and knows now for sure ..........
Yeah, shes a great lady and she loves driving my Buick... So to clearify your intake project are you adding spacers between the heads and the intake as well as modifying the intake it's self? You said you wished you could weld alum and I wish I was around to give you a hand with that. Allison's familly are all metalworkers so I have access to MIG. TIG. and plasma.....
sean, aluminum adapters plates between from head to manifold. now for removing all the excess and start the final fitting. got the intake cut in this am at a local machine shop. what a bunch of idiots. 'yeah, just cut where i have the slot started'. what a bunch of idiots. was thinking....has anybody ever tried that aluma-weld thats on tv? heat it with a torch, like brazing. i checked a couple of webs and it is expensive. if its any good then i can just weld at home. gotta get of them 'that was easy' buttons. lol
350 Stuff.... I have been tracking on this 350 stuff for a while but just reading since I still have yet to get my hands on a 350 motor. I had two but they got donated in the move process and now I have to aquire new ones. I am all for the intake deal. There are more 350 stuff in the works than you may know. There are only a few that take part in this chat stuff and even more that don't venture past magazines. Once I get a 350 motor and a 68-72 350 car, we'll see who can lay waste to the 350 block the best. I got plenty of nitrous bottles, tubing fabrication, knowledge, and maybe a turbo hear and there. On the intake note and sbc intakes. For what I've seen, the victors and Supervictor intake route a little better but I can't say the Mopar isn't a better aproach since I can't see what both look like on top of a 350 motor as well as what the ports againment look like. Anyone check out the Olds SB Victor intake demensions or other off brands? I would think the Olds may be close? o No:
never seen an olds. will have to look. talk about the sbc, but nobody really says anything to change my mind. always open for suggestions. back to the machining...... as bill cosby said in one of his doctor routines........."OOPS". that what i just did. got cocky and greedy removing material to butt the 2 pieces together. i was gonna expoxy together anyway. just a little more goop now. ou: ou: ou: ou: ou: ou: ou: ou:
side note; bidding on a digital reading for my bridgeport, got sniped with 10 secs left. i hate spammers and snipers!!!! :blast: :blast:
Didn't Sonny Seal ( TWEETY ) yellow 69 GS 350that wrecked a few years back at norwalk . have a sbc tunnelram on his 350 buick?or atleast part of one. The olds idea sounds interesting. on a slightly different note . How many different 350 heads are there? did buick change the heads over the years? I am not sure what year the 350 i have is i hope to disassemble it this winter to start mocking up things.engine set back and other clearance issues. Heres a big question . How important is the intake manifold in a forced induction set up?? The only part of my combo i have figured out thus far is it will be based on a 350 buick. the sky or my pocket book wichever is lower will be my only limit.
The 68+69 350's had the oiling throught rocker shaft and the alum rockers while the later ones had hollow pushrods and steel rockers. The ratio on rhe alum rockers is 1.58:1 and 1.55:1 for steel The later heads have bigger chambers (lower comp) but have slightly larger valves. As well the later motors also have taller decks than the olders ones making comp even lower. The smog motors have an extra water passage that the early heads don't have.
Johnny, "somewhere" I have a article saved(I think) about a 400 Pontiac that was a draw thru turbo that made almost 700 hp. Don't see why you couldn't use alot of that info for your deal. I will look and see if I still have it for ya. It's a good read.
Well that depends on what you HP goal is going to be. Just like any other combo out there. If your setting a shorter goal, it could very well be one of the dual planes would work fine for you. Bill made over 1K with a stock(although ported to nuts)intake. Is THAT the power range your loooking for ? More ?? Less ??? I have to say, set a hp goal that is firmly based on the use of the vehicle(!!!!!!), and then move in that direction. Personally, I am going heads up racing with my car, I want to(NEED to) make some pretty good power so I ain't embarrasing myself out there. If your cars a street driven car, I would have to guess that 800 would be too much. But a ton of fun for obvious reasons. That number, I feel, is completely do-able with a turbo, on a decent budget IF, you will put in the time to do some homework. Thats what I am doing, putting in the time to do the homework, and talk to people that KNOW what their talking about. I have bought 3 turbos now, and all of them are incorrect for me. So they have moved on down the road as they will not meet my needs. I have lost money simply because I "thought" I knew what I doing, only to find out I was jumping the gun. And had parts that wouldn't preform to the levels I needed. Don't make those mistakes like I did. Set a honest goal for the entire package. Then find all the info you can about that range. Now, this is going to be difficult because of the lack of experience in the Buick world with boosted 350"s. Bill is the man, he tried it, and succeeded ! He set the world on its ear with those numbers. And opened alot of eyes to the potential of these little motors. If your gonna use a "charger" talk to people that have used them, and hopefully they will give you some info that will help. In my case, I am talking to people that use turbos. Looking at that comment you say, "what people using turbos" maybe. YUP, your correct, NOT entirely Buick people. The V6 guys DO help, but I am talking to a few guys that are blowing through V8's, and that ain't here ! Anyways....... Sorry for the lecture there I know its a long one. Hell even I almost fell asleep during, lol. Just decide which way your gonna boost up, set a legit goal that you want to acheive based on the car and use, and move on from there. This IS the 21rst century, you don't need to break the bank to make power. 8 to 1 comp. and a well thought out turbo with make you a good 600 hp. And EASY ! In my opinion. Why spend 10K for a big block when you can make the same power boosted in a CHEAP 350" ? Just not smart in my opinion. Hell I think I could do 600hp for $5K. I just actually need more than that. As a direct answer to your question posted above, the intake, .........Bill made of a 1000 with a stock one. How much do you want to spend, and how much power do you think you need ? Later.............. ps- Personally to start I am using a Poston intake. For simple 1 reason !!!!!! Easier/quicker than stock cast to port/alter.
