For under $1000 I'll build you a set of exhaust manifolds for T3/T4 hybrid turbos, and the intake plumbing for a carb. You can pick up a pair of new hybrid turbos off ebay for about $325 shipped. Have a muffler shop run the exhaust down from the twins to your existing duals. The oil lines are pretty easy to fab up. You can run 5-7lbs of boost with pump gas and you won't believe the tire frying torque. If you want bang for the buck without a bottle to refill, that's the way to go. My stupid car ran 13's with a low compression stock cast gut 350, old cruddy tractor turbos, 30" of tire patch, and spun the tires violently through 1st and 2nd gear with only 7lbs of boost! These motors LOVE pressure! With the new hybrids, ET Street tires and a fresh trans, I'm looking for low 12's. I have a total investment of about $250 in my whole turbo setup by buying and selling on ebay. So there's my 2 cents (actual value may vary).
A 100 shot of nitrous will send him packin. Race him now and see what he's got. If you lose come back with a 100 shot nitrous.
okay guys im mad. i was told im a complete dumb*** and my car is a piece of "s***". he says he just bought a second turbo and installed it. can someone explain why he cant... i tried to be nice. told him he would beat me.blah blah blah.. i would back down. and then he said something about my car:rant: .
Just tell him to race you and see how bad he beats you! tell him he'll probly beat you badly but whatever you just want to race. He is probly full of it and just playing head games. Ask him to go to the track to race. its not worth the consequences on thed street. You want to have your licence so you can drive the girls back before curfew right.... Priorities my freind....
I say call his bluff and take him to the track ASAP! If he is really installing another turbo (yeah right) it isn't just drop and race, he has to re-tune that engine again. And if he does agree, just sandbag and see how fast his car really is.. Then I'd just laugh at him after the race just to make him wonder.. Seriously though, he isn't worth the gas/effort. I don't remember reading if you have seen his engine yet... Can you see an intercooler in the front of his car?
Pleaase! Race this guy! It doesn't matter if he wins or loses, you've still got the cooler car! I am 18 and live in Abilene, TX, and I HATE ricers! I have beat many a ricer with my 16 sec, 350, 2.56 gears, 3400 lb 1967 Skylark. And one thing that I have learned is that if you really have twin turbos, and have sunk a lot of money into your car, you don't just go and threaten prople with it, because you know how good your car is. Chances are that this car really does only have the 4 cylinder truck engine. Just go check it out. He may not even have the car. "Oh, It's in the shop gettin' the 6th turbo put on it. I'm pushing for 10 turbos and 1,000 lbs. of boost!"ou: ou: ou: Take this from another teenager in a small southern town with a big ol' Buick: don't be afraid! And take the older guys advice too: learn how to build your car. It's really a lot of fun, and it may become your new hobby. And: lose the girlfriend, they cost too much anyway!:TU: Good luck, -Clay Westbrook
OK I'm big time with Clay on this now. I'm willing to give the modern tuner the chance because they are motorheads too but this guys is "RICER" through and through. In the worst sense. He doesn't have a CLUE what he's talking about. Here's why: If he did just buy another turbo and install it his car will officially be slower, right now! A tiny 2.4L with one turbo will walk ALL OVER any 2.4L with two turbos. A turbo needs volume to work efficiently. He'd need a pretty small turbo impeller to efficiently turn 1200cc (half of 2.4L). Chase, this is why he can't just buy another turbo and install it: Read this and read it again: A turbo needs to be the proper volumetric size to work with a given engine displacement. A T3/4 hybrid would be a great turbo for this engine. A T3 is a great street turbo for this engine. TWO of either of these would SUCK ASS because there is NOT enough displacement volume to spool two of them! SO by his story he just bought another one and slapped it on, huh. You can do it but the engine WILL run less hp. Guaranteed. If he was running a small mitsu turbo for 1200cc (half of 2.4L) in the first place (the only thing that makes sense of just buying another turbo) he was NEVER making 13sec quarters. NEVER! I don't know how more plain I can put it. He's full of ****. Anyone who knows anything about turbo charging knows this. And another thing. Any of us who has a car that can serve up a healthy rear view spanking to punks like this don't EVER have to talk **** about it. EVER. We just dole out the spanking and they cry about it. That is how it works. (Read closely, I'm about to contradict myself and tell you about my turbo car. LOL) I ran a lowly Dodge Omni 4-door hatch 2.2L with a stock T3 and a manual boost controller I made from hardware store parts. I spanked so many big talkers like this punk. It was so fulfilling! I never once boasted about what I'd built. It was a Dodge Omni for God's sake. LOL! Justa350 is the Mark I was posting about earlier. It's worth talking to him about options. He's got a really great story and he's already done the ground work to Twin Turbo your 350. I think it would be really funny to beat this kid with a real twin turbo car.
It was a Dodge Omni for God's sake. LOL! just an FYI Chase. do not EVER laugh at a GLHS. Nic knows better but you might not. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelby_GLHS
I wish I had the money for a twin turboed 455 . I think that would be nice. I could get it if I had about 4 jobsou: . BUT. I MIGHT be getting to work at my Dads friend car shop. they do mostly body work, but they do a little of everything too. overall i think it would be a nice place to sharpen my car skills. i mean, its summer. and i dont have much to do. why not learn as much as possible about cars. :TU: . I might be bigger than Foose one day. but hey you gotta start somewhere .and my somewhere is an un-paid shop boy. but the owner is one of the sharpest mechanics, around here. so i think its WAY worth the experience. but as far as the twin turbo ricer kid, he well. kind of dissappeared, i guess. he called me and i told him why he couldnt run twins and he called me stupid and hung up. and yeah i guess i am stupid, because i almost believed him at first. ou: ... haven't heard back from him. :bla: but well, how about me adding these turbos to mine? what do you guys think? and what can i do to find out more about them ?
Here's a pretty good book to cut your teeth on turbo charging. http://www.amazon.com/Maximum-Boost-Turbocharger-Engineering-Performance/dp/0837601606 BTW if things work out like hoped for the intake/heads, the buick 350 may be the one worth turbocharging-more so than the 455 (stock block wise).
I wish I had the money for a twin turboed 455. no, no, no, no, no. the mid-80's Turbo 231ci v6 Grand Nationals used to destroy Corvette's. those stock v6 blocks have been known to take over 1000hp. and the Buick v6 is based on the Buick small block v8 ( 215, 300, 340, 350 ). if you're going to deal with turbo-charging, the 350 is an inherently much stronger block to do it with than the 455. and in a turbo setup, final hp will have more to do with maximum applied boost than it will with displacement.
u could talk to the guys here http://www.turbobuicks.com/forums/index.php or http://www.turbobuick.com/ both sites mostly have Grand National/ T-type information, however the buick 350 is almost the same as their 6 cylinder with 2 cylinders knocked off. the turbo would also be a different size. I'd do a lot of reading there, but be sure to keep us informed about your updates since you however have an 8 cylinder. ray: BTW u can trade bodywork for mechanical work any day with i'd say about 80% of the guys out here. people like to turn wrenches, but when it comes time to sanding and painting you maybe ahead of them, btw your welding skills as a body man will also carry over nicely to a turbo project :TU:. keep a nice portfolio (pictures before and after, and during) and budgets of the projects you've worked on. Bodywork is an art, and to find more work people will want to see what you have done. it's kinda like a good resume' it tells your accomplishments and goals of what you would like to do and you are good at doing. -nate. btw the nissan 240sx is a nice upgradeable car. espically for cornering (a-bodys arn't) rear wheel drive and a nice wide low platform. as others have said, you can't just slap on another turbo. it takes a lot of research and planning and design to add another turbo. Basically he would have to have added two turbos to replace the one. or replaced his current turbo. To build a performance car properly you need to plan EVERYTHING from how air gets into the engine all the way thru the tail pipe, radiator, transmission and rear axle. when you start talking turbos they generally arn't just bolt-ons. I must have spent a year researching before spending a dime on my current project that still isn't done, Mr Burek, I'm waiting on my trans I'd just leave this RICER alone............ for now. as Teddy Roosevelt has said, "Speak softly and carry a big stick" and let your work speak for itself. (quoted from another guy)
To know more about how to set up the 350 Skylark send Mark (Justa350) a PM and start asking questions. I made it easy for you. Here's a link to his PM: http://v8buick.com/private.php?do=newpm&u=12180 Here's a couple pix of his twin turbo setup: He's done a lot of ground work already. Lot's to learn from him. Way to go in setting up a job in the shop. That is the BEST way to get real training. The first engines I ever worked on were WWII aircraft engines. I walked into a place called J.R.S. Enterprises in MN. I worked for this guy: http://www.speedpropsandpylons.com/jrs_tsunami.htm. I went in an said, "I don't care about pay. I want to learn." And learn I did. It was the best thing I ever did... Next to marrying the best woman around, but that comes in a close second.
I agree its good to get hands on exprerience at a shop! I was a monkey for a backyard mechanic and he gave me the confidence to attack many big projects! If you start small and stay organized you'll be surprised what you can do. Remember we are here anytime!!!!
thanks for all the help guys, its sure suprising to get support like this off forums! thanks for everything!
And here's a reason why you DON'T want to street race anyone: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070620/ap_on_re_us/crushed_hot_rods_2;_ylt=AiQ0yxBAW9bdhVBbrQ.kC2EE1vAI
