350 Buick Teardown and Build

Discussion in 'Small Block Tech' started by ronbz455, Jul 27, 2012.

  1. ronbz455

    ronbz455 Big Butz Racing

    So you have to drill from the front of the block down to the pick up tube hole? Isn't 5/8 a little to big since it's only 7/16 from the factory? I know the 71 on up BBB is 5/8. I was thinking on opening it ut to 1/2. What size is that pick up tube. I haven't checked that out yet.
     
  2. mhgs

    mhgs it just takes money !!

    drill the block passage at 1/2"...it should match the timing cover as well. If you use a newer v6 cover the hole is already 1/2".
     
  3. ronbz455

    ronbz455 Big Butz Racing

    I will start a help list to show people when we put this 350 Skylark to the test on the drag strip and on the break in video so just to show how most of us Buick guys stick together. The way it's going I hope we have enough space on the car. I have recently talk to a stocker guy and he agrees with most of you guys but still has more ways of saving money and getting more power. He said yes to the 5/8 oil feed and he said a couple of places sell the pick up.


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  4. ronbz455

    ronbz455 Big Butz Racing

    I got some more pics. more 350 pics 001.jpg more 350 pics 002.jpg more 350 pics 005.jpg more 350 pics 006.jpg
     
  5. sean Buick 76

    sean Buick 76 Buick Nut

    Based on how far your pistons are in the hole I bet your pistons have a lower than factory compression height.

    Stock specs as far as I know:

    1.81000" piston compression height
    Piston should be 0.0580" Down in Bore (30 thou more on the later blocks)
    Buick 350 block deck height= 10.18"
     
  6. GS Jim

    GS Jim Platinum Level Contributor

    I have Three sets of .02 Steel Shim Head Gaskets if you need them. I can send you a set if you want. Think of it as my contribution to your project. I built up a '72 / 350.
    PONCH

    I used a set of 10:1 V6 Pistons. And No, I didn't leave 2 Holes Empty.
     
    Last edited: Aug 3, 2012
  7. ronbz455

    ronbz455 Big Butz Racing

    Ponch I Pmed you. Does anyone have a 3 way double roller timing set? I found a Melling on Ebay for 20 bucks.
     
  8. sean Buick 76

    sean Buick 76 Buick Nut

    The 20 thou steel head gaskets only work on the 68-71 engines and will not work with the 77 engine... The reason is the extra coolant passage on the later heads.

    I use the billet true roller timing set, a bit of $ but it is reliable and consistent.

    Regarding the pistons, Venolia is the best priced quality forged piston you can get:

    http://www.venolia.com/

    I have the Diamonds, which are a wonderfull piston but a bit more cash.
     
    Last edited: Aug 5, 2012
  9. ronbz455

    ronbz455 Big Butz Racing

    Thats cool Sean, I was thinking that the 455 was the same way with the shim gaskets but if it helped with the 350 I would check it out. If some one wants to help thats great but if we can keep shipping cost down that is also great. Don't let that stop anyone from helping cause that is why we are here to make Buicks go fast! You guys Rock!

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    Let's talk rear main seal. I don't want it to leak.
     
  10. sean Buick 76

    sean Buick 76 Buick Nut

    I have a set of headers you could borrow but shipping would be a bit much I think.

    I wrote the how to install the rear main instructions... I use the ford 460 rear seal which is the same one TA sells. Just remember to use the stock little blocks and pins on the side of the caps and be sure to off set the seals so they do not meet at the bottom of the cap.

    http://www.v8buick.com/showthread.p...-Replacement-Instructions&highlight=rear+main
     
  11. ronbz455

    ronbz455 Big Butz Racing

    Cool Sean but I have some good news! Gary Hersche the engine builder for Chris Stevenson 74 Apollo stocker now running 11.40's has come up with a set of .040 stocker pistons and cap screw rods balanced that have some valve nicks in them that he will sell me cheap. I will get them and see what the deck height is with those and go from there. I also put a plug to Gessler head porting about the heads to see if he can help. He sells 350 heads ported to your needs so if the guys wanting aluminum heads needs to contact him for a nice set of ported cast iron heads. The price to me sounds high but I don't have any money. Oh I got my cam from Crower but I don't like the lobe not looking fat but you can tell the lobe centers are close. I will take some pics and put them on here.

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    Oh I checked the heads and they are B1382546K on the other car so definetly 1968 by Gessler's chart. The block between 1 and 3 is 521.
     
  12. sean Buick 76

    sean Buick 76 Buick Nut

    Yes Gessler ported my heads and they ran 11.08 in the quarter NA with about 370 cubes on a Buick 350. Now with LOTS of boost they should make some good power!

    There are some less expensive options for head porting like:

    -finishline motorsports (bobb mackley)
    -Jim W the owner of this board
    -you could also just have your local shop do a $500 porting

    For a full out max effort job gessler is the way to go however $ for HP there are other options to keep costs down.

    Great news about the pistons and rods!

    Use the 68 heads for sure, or find another set of early heads for porting. Toss those 77 heads away, just keep the 1.55 exhaust valves for the other heads.

    Before you even send them away for porting take a head gasket and raise the top of each gasket by about 1/8" using an exacto knife or something, then port match the intake and heads to the gasket. Then when you are done have them ported. Raising the roof of the intake runners helps huge. yes you loose a bit of low rpm velocity due to more volume but it is worth the high rpm gain when using a large cam. If you can, mill the heads about 60 thou depending on if you mill the block and then use some shorted pushrods. if you do not square the deck of the block then go with a adjustable pushrod as all 4 corners will be different.

    Some tips from the NHRA guys:

    Look for 2% or less on leakdown when done
    degree the cam to fine tune the cylinder pressures
    look for 14-16 foot pounds to rotate the engine over without the plugs installed
    index the plugs and gap them
    max 38 degrees timing, normally 34-36 all in by 2200 RPM
    use a high stall converter
    use a tall tire
    use 5W30 oil as long as your oil pressure is ok, add some thicker oil to fine tune the pressure
    windage tray if possible
    crank scraper if you can

    And some other tricks:
    use a 4" open carb spacer if you have the room/scoop
    add a baffle to keep the oil from sloshing away from the pickup
    use a holley 850 carb or a 800 cfm q jet from a 75-80 350, the 455 versions have too much idle air
    smooth the rods and remove stress risers
    use the ta grooved cam bearings
    buy the northern auto parts rebuild kit
    run as large and short of an exhaust as you can, and the largest primary headers you can find these engines LOVE large exhaust and oversized headers
     
  13. ronbz455

    ronbz455 Big Butz Racing

    Here's some pics of the cam. I would have liked to see a wider section at the top of the lift. Maybe I will get out the 7XR and show what it looks like. Gary said his cam has more duration but less lift.



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  14. sean Buick 76

    sean Buick 76 Buick Nut

    Well I checked my records and the cam you have there made 580 HP at the crank with a single plane intake and 10.7:1 compression. Their custom grind became a catalogue option. This was with ported heads and some tricks but at least we know it can make steam. This is only the 3rd cam ever made with this grind! They ran it for years in the dirt oval racing hemis and BBCs with a huge displacement handicap!
     
  15. ronbz455

    ronbz455 Big Butz Racing

    I knew lots of duration helped when I heard a v-6 Buick at the points meet pull up and it sounded like my 455 but with less cylinders. It ran 11.80 I think and the anouncer said yea thats a Buick V-6 in that race car. I just shook my head and said wow That's a Buick for ya!
     
  16. sean Buick 76

    sean Buick 76 Buick Nut

    That is the trick for the NHRA guys running 11s without head porting... MASSIVE duration cams, stock lift, and cars set up to make 100% use of the tiny 375 HP they make. A quote from Garry H. "Matching the torque converter with the camshaft is critical".
     
  17. Jclstrike

    Jclstrike Well-Known Member

    Actually the steel gm's work through 71. We had planned to use them on my build to get the compression near our goal and the 72 block with the 70 heads poured coolant out everywhere.
     
  18. gsjohnny1

    gsjohnny1 Well-Known Member

    nhra guys run gears in the 4's and their trans/conv's costs are $4000-8000 !!!! there is no mickey mouse or cost cutting with them.
    you wanna play...your gonna pay.
     
  19. sean Buick 76

    sean Buick 76 Buick Nut

    Thanks, I thought it was 71 as the last year then I second guessed myself LOL....
     
  20. GS Jim

    GS Jim Platinum Level Contributor

    My 350 is a '72 and the Head Gaskets work fine. I put them up against a set of '73 Heads and they look good too. If it's the extra coolant passage that's messing you up, punch a hole in the gasket.
    PONCH
     

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