Loud Top End Noise, '62 LeSabre 401.

Discussion in ''Da Nailhead' started by Chad Nicoletti, Sep 14, 2021.

  1. Chad Nicoletti

    Chad Nicoletti Well-Known Member

    So,

    Got the timing cover off and found that the chain has 3/8" play to it . The inside of the cover has light scarring as well. New chain and gears are on car, gasket set arrives tomorrow, so will put er back together then and update everyone.

    Thanks again!
     

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  2. Chad Nicoletti

    Chad Nicoletti Well-Known Member

    After looking at the fuel pump lever on the pump I just installed last Friday, I think there is some play in the camshaft. Possible cam bearings?? Why would the fuel pump lever have these scars on it. I thought they were supposed to be very smooth??
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    This is fuel pump I replaced last Friday.
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    This is pump that has maybe 3 minutes of run time on it.

    Why would the new one be so scarred?
     
  3. TrunkMonkey

    TrunkMonkey Totally bananas

    What does the eccentric for the fuel pump look like?

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  4. Chad Nicoletti

    Chad Nicoletti Well-Known Member

  5. Chad Nicoletti

    Chad Nicoletti Well-Known Member

    The eccentric looks to be in good shape, but you can see it has been getting hot.
     
  6. TrunkMonkey

    TrunkMonkey Totally bananas

    Yeah. That was just to show the eccentric.
    (then I looked up and saw the images of yours.) o_O


    Looking at the timing gear, things look "dry".
    The eccentric wear looks new and shiny, but that could also be due to normal wear.

    I would expect everything should be "wet" with oil.

    But it is hard to tell with cell phone images sometimes.
     
  7. Chad Nicoletti

    Chad Nicoletti Well-Known Member

    I cleaned everything really well before placing the new gearset and chain in place. Below is a pic of the set when cover first came off. PXL_20210920_200638144.jpg
     
  8. TrunkMonkey

    TrunkMonkey Totally bananas

    The amount of grey material concerns me. I have seen sludge, but when it looks like molybdenum coating everything, that is typically fine metal.

    I suspect lubrication issues, but, it is so danged hard to diagnose from a few pics.

    If I were there, I'd be poking a flashlight and mirror in places, and pulling things apart to look, including the oil and filter.

    When did you last change the oil? What did it look like, and what does the current oil look like (unless you drained it and cannot inspect it)
    How long have you been running the engine before the noise started, and how long after it started?

    I realize you changed the fuel pump that had about 3,000 miles on it, and this one only a short time, but that much wear in 3 minutes is not normal.
     
  9. Chad Nicoletti

    Chad Nicoletti Well-Known Member

    I changed the oil last Friday, and opened the filter. There was no shiny stuff in the filter at all. Also, the drain plug didn't have any significant metal on it. The noise started last Thursday, and the engine has been run probably 10 minutes total since then. I have 40 lb oil pressure, and good compression in a 8 cylinders. This is beginning to really stump me, lol.
     
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  10. Smartin

    Smartin antiqueautomotiveservice.com Staff Member

    Sooooooooo how did those rockers look? :p
     
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  11. sean Buick 76

    sean Buick 76 Buick Nut

    too bad you weren’t able to do the above before tearing it down..
     
  12. Chad Nicoletti

    Chad Nicoletti Well-Known Member

    I will remove rocker shafts tonight and report back what I find.

    Thanks guys!
     
  13. Chad Nicoletti

    Chad Nicoletti Well-Known Member

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  14. sean Buick 76

    sean Buick 76 Buick Nut

    Poor shape??? Oh my goodness
     
  15. Chad Nicoletti

    Chad Nicoletti Well-Known Member

  16. Smartin

    Smartin antiqueautomotiveservice.com Staff Member

    What do the rocker cups looks like on those two?
     
  17. Chad Nicoletti

    Chad Nicoletti Well-Known Member

    Rocker caps below. Serios slot in the one on left, and one starting on right.

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  18. Smartin

    Smartin antiqueautomotiveservice.com Staff Member

    Replace both rockers and pushrods. Send it
     
  19. Chad Nicoletti

    Chad Nicoletti Well-Known Member

    Hanging it up for the night fellers. Have to go into office tomorrow, but work from home Thu and Fri, so will dig deeper then.
     
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