It is too late for gun control to have any effect. Wait, he bought the gun last month. So? He would have still got it no matter what, it was just a little easier. It makes me sick that this bastard did this, but he was hell bent to do this no matter what. Again, the media makes this type of action more attractive to some sicko. Magazine capacity restrictions? PLEASE. Here we go again. It is not the equipment, it's the USER.
Wasn't it reported that the shooter had 2 guns and several loaded clips ? And weren't the guns used Glock 9 mil , the same type the FBI and most law enforcement are issued ? These would be expensive guns,even on the street. Much more than your average "Saturday night special" It's amazing that a foreigner here on a student visa would have the ability to aquire such armament. It's a really sad time in history for our nation. WTH is going on? I don't believe in gun control,but our students shouldn't have to go to school armed to the teeth for self protection,nor go through strict security procedures just to get to class. We used to be able to trust one another,but now you can't tell if the guy next to you is going to go ballistic on you at any moment. What a screwed up world we live in now. One good example is that you can drive anywhere and always encounter an angry road rager.
Thats were the general misconception lies, IMHO. The people who carry out these attacks do not "blend in". they have deep emotional issues that are very prominent. everytime something like this happens, alot of people involved always say or think, they saw it coming. "he was always strange, or, we would joke he had alot of guns" yada yada yada. really, in hindsight, there is ussually a very clear path, that had alot of trouble ahead signs. look at the recent info that was just released. no friends, started fires on campus, stalked woman....
Rmember we are only getting the information the media want us to hear. I do feel the authorities of the school should have notified the people on campus about the possibility of a shooter on campus seeing that they had a shooting in the vacinity and no one apprehended. We are hearing all kinds of woulda, shoulda, coulda about this maniac but it is all after the fact. This type of behavior is never "just out of the blue". He put out all sorts of warning signs that were ignored but we can't profile in this country because we might offend someone. What about the 32 that were fatally offended? We'd better start paying attention to those around us. Mikey
why is it every time something like this happens,there is a debate over gun ownership or gun laws? you'll need to take that up with Ian, Andy. he'd be able to give you insight into that type of 'play everything for political gain' mindset. me, i'm not interested. but i will NOT let lies, hypocrisy and ignorance masquarading as policy go by unremarked. Heres something I'm curious about...if you have a LTC concealed, and you happen to be armed and find yourself in this situation with a gunman randomly shooting people, what are you legally allowed/required to do? as mentioned before, this varies from state to state and prosecutor to prosecutor. Bernhard Goetz would be the worst case example... despite the school ban on carrying i have the sneaky suspicion that if a student or professor had returned fire he would be politically and judicially (as in, you couldn't find yourself a prosecutor stupid enough to put him in the docket) untouchable now.
Here is something from todays paper. The shooter had all the signs but noone acted when they should have at the school. Also I heard that both his parents tried to commit suicide after hearing of this but I havent found it in writing yet.
how does one act when another is mentally ill? How do you force someone to go into consouling? The state will do very little to put somone into an instuition (a co worker wanted his son admited and the state woulden't do anything and it would take his son to do something like this or maybe take one life for them to force him to get help.) There are great pressures currently going to college, every student has a lot to try to figure out. Some students are excelent and get good grades and are otherwise very application smart, others arn't. some students push and push and push and are pushed extremely hard to get good grades and when the test comes back it's not good, yet they understand the material. Other times instructors are excelent and will take time to get you to understand the material. others say see me in my office and then leave it at that and try to beat the same thing into your head they're explaining in the class room when obviously the student dosen't understand it that way. There is also financial issues that show up. often times loan checks come in late to pay your previous semesters tuition and untill you pay the school for the previous semester you can't register PERIOD. I suppose my ranting is about it's not any ONE thing that caused this guy to snap and not get help. It's a lot of diffrent things that caused this guy to snap. I think the biggest thing though is he never learned to help himself before anyone else. From someone who had gotten very deperessed in college, nearly to the point of taking his own life. There are many challenges that become overwelming when taken all together, but you need to remember one thing, Take care of yourself before anyone else.
THANK YOU. :TU: Guns don't kill..........PEOPLE DO! Even if they make them all illegal, and wipe them off the face of the earth, this guy could just as well used a baseball bat......or a chainsaw......or a bomb.....need I list them all? Killing is an animal instinct.......there's no way to make people stop killing through laws........but as I stated before, most people who fear God RESPECT LIFE and faith is something that is not an instinct, it is something that is learned. It has nothing to do with religion, belief in a higher power is not religion. Look at our money......"in GOD we trust". Our fore fathers had the right idea.......it's the radicals who are twisting things to the result of all this violence. My opinion of course. :Smarty:
from what I heard on the morning news, one of the guns he used was traced to a pawn shop, and that he passed all the required background checks. I thought they did a mental background check also?
He may have never gone to a mental instution to have it pop up on a background check. thats part of the problem he never went.
Also I heard that both his parents tried to commit suicide after hearing of this but I havent found it in writing yet. they're immigrants from South Korea. attempting suicide due to shame over their son's actions would be unsurprising. that kind of thing is deeply ingrained in the culture they came from. I thought they did a mental background check also? you have to have gone to a psychiatrist or had court ordered counseling. Cho had no prior record. additionally, many psychiatric problems such as Schizophrenia do not normally manifest until the late teens to twenties. someone who was perfectly normal at 18 might be 'stark raving loony' ( technical term :laugh: ) by the time he's 22. given the ongoing debate vis-a-vis religion and society it's somewhat amusing that Cho appears to have been (like the Unabomber or hardcore PETA/ALF/ELF members) a frothing at the mouth atheist. not that that means anything, it just tickles my funny bone.
Basic facts: gun deaths per 100,000 U.S.A. 14.24 Brazil 12.95 Mexico 12.69 Estonia 12.26 Argentina 8.93 Northern Ireland 6.63 Finland 6.46 Switzerland 5.31 France 5.15 Canada 4.31 Norway 3.82 Austria 3.70 Portugal 3.20 Israel 2.91 Belgium 2.90 Australia 2.65 Slovenia 2.60 Italy 2.44 New Zealand 2.38 Denmark 2.09 Sweden 1.92 Kuwait 1.84 Greece 1.29 Germany 1.24 Hungary 1.11 Ireland 0.97 Spain 0.78 Netherlands 0.70 Scotland 0.54 England and Wales 0.41 Taiwan 0.37 Singapore 0.21 Mauritius 0.19 Hong Kong 0.14 South Korea 0.12 Japan 0.05
Gun deaths by state per 100,000 #1 District of Columbia: 31.2 #2 Alaska: 20 #3 Louisiana: 19.5 #4 Wyoming: 18.8 #5 Arizona: 18 #6 Mississippi: 17.3 #7 Nevada: 17.3 #8 New Mexico: 16.6 #9 Arkansas: 16.3 #10 Alabama: 16.2 #11 Tennessee: 15.4 #12 West Virginia: 14.7 #13 Montana: 14.5 #14 South Carolina: 13.8 #15 North Carolina: 13.6 #16 Georgia: 13.4 #17 Kentucky: 13.1 #18 Oklahoma: 13.1 #19 Idaho: 12.3 #20 Missouri: 12.3 #21 Indiana: 11.7 #22 Colorado: 11.5 #23 Maryland: 11.5 #24 Florida: 11.1 #25 Virginia: 11.1 #26 Texas: 11 #27 Michigan: 10.9 #28 Oregon: 10.5 #29 Pennsylvania: 9.9 #30 California: 9.8 #31 Illinois: 9.7 #32 Kansas: 9.7 #33 Utah: 9.7 #34 Vermont: 9.6 #35 Ohio: 9.3 #36 Washington: 9.3 #37 Delaware: 9.1 #38 North Dakota: 9.1 #39 Nebraska: 8.1 #40 Wisconsin: 8.1 #41 South Dakota: 7.9 #42 Iowa: 6.7 #43 Maine: 6.5 #44 Minnesota: 6 #45 New Hampshire: 5.8 #46 New York: 5.1 #47 Rhode Island: 5.1 #48 New Jersey: 4.9 #49 Connecticut: 4.3 #50 Massachusetts: 3.1 #51 Hawaii: 2.8
Could not agree more. If he did not use a Gun he would have found some other way to committ his crime.. RIP to the Fallen and Prayers for the families
Try this equation... IDIOT + GUN = 30 DEAD IDIOT + BUTTER KNIFE = ? While everyones doing the math lets let it happen again. I really don't think anyone on the receiving end of equation one would be arguing against gun control, but you never know.
On the news just now, the shooter sent a video and long rambling letter to a news station between the first and second set of shootings. No details, its in the hands of the FBI now
try this equation. 1 IDIOT+ GUN= 30 DEAD UNARMED PEOPLE. 1 IDIOT+GUN + 30 ARMED PEOPLE = 1 DEAD IDIOT + X. x is unknown because we will never know what the death toll might have been had there been one armed person there to protect these innocent kids, much less 30. most gun laws just put butter knives in the hands of those who are law abiding and leave the guns to the idiots. IMHO.
OK you want to make comparisons?? Try this one 1 Idiot + 1 bomb = 168 dead,800 injured Oklahoma City Alfred P Murrah building Oklahoma City April 19,1995 So it goes to show your stats are weak... There are several other situations too. I didn't see any guns mentioned in this tragedy.
I do not believe he was here on a student visa. He came to the USA in 1992, I recall. As many student visa violators we may have, I do not think it is fair to classify this in there. This is a total tradegy, that will hopefully never be forgotten. My heart and prayers go out to not only the families of those slain and injured, but everyone affected. I will say that I am a gun owner, and support the right to bare arms. Although I do not support organizations like the NRA, as they are extremists also, I am glad for them to help defend our rights. If absent minded people could get thier way, then only criminals would carry guns. Sorry to have to put this in here, but I feel it is deserving. Mike
Mike , I will spare you the NRA mantra but if it weren't for them there would be no legal ownership of guns in this country . Here is St Louis and Missouri we recently passed concealed gun carry laws . IN the 2 years that have insued there is no I repeat no incidents of law abiding citizens killing people as was the scare tactis used to try to defeat this law . If just one student had violated the law the outcome could have been somewhat better . People need to realize that the police cannot protect you . They cannot guess when a madman will kill or a robber will use a gun . They come when they are called after the initial crime is committed . I think of Luby's in Tx when a gunman entered a cafeteria and killed 23 people . A friend lost his parents in that one . That killer had to reload and did so a couple of times . This is a very violent world we live in and if a college says no guns then in my opinion they are responsible to protect the people there . Anyone can kill another but something stops us from killing the guy that cut me off , or that guy that hurt my kid . I call the cops and the unfortunate people of VT are realizing the fact that this can happen anywhere . In closing I am no screaming conservative but I really feel that when thew next president brings our troops home we will see more attacks here . I hope I am wrong and peace will be the outcome but I see Radical Islamists pounding their chests in victory and emboldened to strike us here . I hope your not unarmed when it happens .
