32 confirmed dead at Virginia Tech uzzled: :eek2: :ball: http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/16/vtech.shooting/index.html
They don't seem to know much about it yet. Even though this shooting is much worse, it just doesn't seem as if it will get as much coverage as Columbine. After 9/11 all of these sort of situations seems to get much different coverage.
101 Views and two responses. I guess the gun lobby is staying quiet for a while. Last night on Discovery they unveiled a new fully automatic shot-gun and then ran a tour of a store that specialises in AK47's a great weapon due to its interchangable parts. There are more people out there who would love to have these weapons to kill your children. (Whether you desire one is beside the point) Phone your state representative. Ask what he is doing to restrict the sale of automatic weapons.
Machine guns and destructive devices (the auto shotgun would be considered a destructive device) have been banned for the most part in the United States since the 1930's. Less than 1% of gun crime is commited with "assault weapons". The Clinton Gun ban did absolutely nothing except make the guns and high cap magazines harder to get. The weapons you mentioned are both illegal for most, and very expensive for those who can own them. (An M16/replica, FN FAL, or AK47 capable of automatic fire would be anywhere from $10,000-$20,000 thousand dollars.) What makes you think that auto shotguns and ak47s or any other sort of "assault weapon" are used in any sort of crime in today's world? Why would you assume that gun control would have had any effect on this shooting, as someone who has predetermined that they are going to murder someone and then commit suicide would not be swayed by the legality of his firearm ownership...What happened today is hardly a gun control issue, but more so a failure of the school's administration and the area police force.
I heard about this tragedy on the news, My heartfelt prayers go out to the families of those affected
The gun was not directly responsible for the killing...Try putting the blame where it lies..The idiot who did it. A loaded gun wont kill by itself..I have over 50 guns in my home,not one killed anyone so this is a stupid point. I can see that this thread will go nowhere and they should lock it immediately so the sky is falling bunch wont have nothing to complain about..
The shooting was carried out with a 9mm hand gun. They had recently banned guns on campus by ccw permit holders. If legal gun owners were allowed to carry their weapons,this would have probably ended sooner. The cure for this is more guns not less. :moonu::moonu::moonu::moonu::moonu::moonu::moonu::moonu::moonu::moonu::moonu::moonu::moonu::moonu::moonu::moonu::moonu::moonu::moonu::moonu:
If anything good comes from this unthinkable and horrible tragedy........maybe the Imus thing will no longer dominate the TV news. This new story they can discuss for a long time, it is so horribly awful.
I don't think fully automatic weapons had anything to do with it...from what I understand he had a couple of nine millimeters
No, this thread should not be locked because pro-gun people don't want to hear the other side. This is, after all, still America, and all sides deserve their say. As long as it stays civil, this can be considered a 'family discussion'. This forum is made for that (IMHO). By the way, I have a Baretta .40S&W, a Glock .40S&W, a Kimber Ultra Carry .45, a 30/30 and a 12 guage, so I'm not anti-gun. I am, however, anti crazy child killer, and the guy that had those 9MM's SHOULD NOT HAVE HAD THEM, whatever that takes.
It seems no matter how respectful we are of other member's opinions that always seems to happen. I have the feeling a distasteful comment is coming soon and the PC police will be locking this one also.......ou: .......not that there's anything wrong with that. :laugh: :spank:
It'll be an interesting test to see how long the debate can remain a debate and not become a tirade... this surely is an important and derisive issue, Here's hopin'!:beers2:
I've heard my fair share of people bashing guns. Here is what I tell them, out of all the gun crimes that occur in America how many actually occur with a person who has a FOID card, has the guns registered and bought legally. Why punish those who actually follow the rules? My heart goes out to the familes who lost a son or daughter in the shootings today. I watched this unfold in my marketing class (tv).
My Prayers Go Out To The Families Of The Victims Of The Virginia Shootings. Yet I Can't Help Wonder Why The Victims Or At The Very Least Teachers Weren't Allowed To Protect Themselves, In A State Where Almost Anyone Can Get A Permit To Carry, These People By Virtue Of There Location Were Not Allowed To Defend Themselves. It Seems That The Students And Faculty Must Leave There Rights At The Door To Their Place Of Learning, The Only People Allowed To Take A Firearm Past The Gate Of The Campus Are The Police And The Killers. It Seems That By Virtue Of There Occupation, Criminals Do Not Obey Laws Therefor Laws Have No Effect On What They Do Or Where They Do It. Please Don't Fall Victim To The, "blame It On The Gun" Syndrome And Try To Solve The Problem With More Ineffective Gun Laws. The Way It Looks Thirty Of Those Lives And Maybe All The Wounded Could Have Been Saved If The Security Forces Would Have Acted Properly When They Found The First Two Bodies. We Can Place The Blame On A Lot Of Things But The One Thing That Made It Happen Was The Person That Did The Killing, Not The Gun.
101 Views and two responses. I guess the gun lobby is staying quiet for a while. as opposed to the anti-2nd amendment lobby who will not fail to stoop to any low to push their un-Constitutional agenda? think about this: A SINGLE CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT HOLDER COULD HAVE STOPPED THIS COLD. and yet, all guns (excepting those used by the VT Corp of Cadets for training) are forbidden on the VT campus.... yeah, that worked out real well, didn't it? Last night on Discovery they unveiled a new fully automatic shot-gun and who is this weapon available for sale too? you ARE aware that automatic weapons are already severely restricted are you not? that an NFA weapon is no easy thing to acquire? that many weapons of this type are ONLY AVAILABLE FOR SALE TO POLICE OR MILITARY AGENCIES? (fer instance, i'd much rather have a minigun, but aside from the price it just ain't never gonna happen) or are you just trying to beat a straw man and were hoping that noone would notice? you should make a note to yourself: you are not Jesse Jackson and I am not Don Imus. Phone your state representative. Ask what he is doing to restrict the sale of automatic weapons. better yet, take note that two semi-automatic pistols ( a 9mm and a .22cal ) were used in the commission of this crime and ask yourself what kind of 'person' demands that a law be created which would not have affected this crime in any way. and when you're done thinking about that, try reading this: http://www.billstclair.com/guns-and-freedom.html now ask yourself, why is it that when faced with a proven murderous lunatic so many Americans just cower passively in a corner or under a school desk and wait for the aforementioned lunatic to walk right up to them and put a bullet in their head? :af:
A point of observation: To my recollection (which I'll grant may be fuzzy at times) I note that mass shootings similar to this one have mostly occured in areas mandated to be "gun-free" zones, and less-so in areas where the potential for shooting victims to be armed was either possible or probable.
coming from someone who lives on a university campus, I agree with the ban of guns on campus, except for campus police, not public safety (on our campus they are two connected but different things). think about how many young adults would have knives and guns in their dorm rooms and apartments on campus, get drunk, and misuse these items. I am not commenting on the situation on hand, or how it was handled, just giving an explaination why firearms and weapons are not allowed on campus. The ability to control what comes on and off campus is extremely hard, considering the fact that most campuses are not fenced in or behind a uniform wall (at least at all the ones I have been to). I do not know of many buildings on campus where students have to walk through metal detectors. campus police can not cover hundreds of acres of campus all the time, patting down students. It is just assumed that whoever is on campus is mentally healthy, is voluntarily there, and if they were unhappy, they would just drop out. It is a tragedy, but it is one that is very hard to prevent or stop.
