Stage 1 distributor owners - do you have an original 1112016???

It appears several board members who have a 72 Stage 1 have Stage 1 distributors dated close to two years before their car was built. This topic came up in the Ebay section (http://www.v8buick.com/showthread.php?t=146478) about a car for sale that shows a pic of the distributor with the correct 1112016 part number, but the date code is 0 F 23, which is June 23, 1970. Five or six board members in that thread including me also have the same date coded 2016 distributor. I'm hoping we can learn more about this, and need anyone who has an original Stage 1 distributor to provide the date code, year and build date of the car, and the type of housing it has.

Take a look at the pics below and you will notice that the original 1970 non stage 455 distributor on the left (1111984 dated 8/26/1969) on the left has a totally round housing stem and a thinner base than the Stage 1 distributor that supposedly came from a 72 Stage 1 on the right (1112016 dated 6/23/1970) that has a square cast into the housing stem and a much thicker casting on half of the base.

So, for a little fun and games, lets see what you have. Feel free to provide pics if you want, but please state what you have. I am particularly interested in original Stage 1 distributors (not service replacements/NOS units), and if you have had your car since new and can verify it being the original distributor your car came with. Hopefully we can figure out the date codes and different castings, and why so many of the 72 Stage 1 cars seem to have either left over 1970 stock (somehow that wasn't used in 1971), or possibly the guy that stamped them made a mistake on the year he was in (remember it was the early 70's, when life was shall we say, "GROOVY"), or if all theses are service replacements made in 1980, not 1970.

I'll start: 1112016; 0 F 23; thick base with square on stem; came from a 72 Stage 1 that I can't verify as the original distributor.

 

James,
Interesting topic. Read this old thread http://www.v8buick.com/showthread.php?t=120227&highlight=stage


It's about an all original '72 Stage 1 convertible that a friend here in Nashville purchased. He asked me to come by and verfy if all the numbers were correct. Read post #5 where I was confused by the fact that the car had a 1112016 distributor that was dated as 0F23, and there was an identical '72 Stage 1 on ebay at the time with an identically dated 1112016 distributor. I think there are enough 72 Stage 1s out there that have this date to prove that it is "correct". BTW this particular '72 Stage 1 was built the 1st week of production and is VIN 100048.

I also checked our '72 Stage 1 hardtop and it has a 1112016 but it must have been replaced under warranty since it has a '73 date code and has no red paint on it like an original (must have been a service replacement). The original owner that we bought the car from in 1989 would not have searched to find a 1112016 since he was not aware of such items.

 

I am not sure if this helps you at all, but I have what I believe is a #'s matching Stage car, however, it is a 1970. Date of invoice is 03/23/70. Carb part numbers and distributor numbers are correct, don't know if the date codes are within spec. Dist code is 9L4, (12/4/69)? Some hints of red paint in places, not much. However, the base is round, not square, like your 70', mine could be wrong, don't know enough. Carb code is LK 3239. I would assume the 9 is for 1969, the rest is Greek to me. I have SS on block, and the vin# is on block as well, also on the trans.

Car will be 38 years old in March. I would imagine lots of different hands on her during that time. Not sure if the square, or round is correct, maybe they both are. Stranger things have happened.

Maybe someone who knows more about distributors will chime in.

Regards, John.o No:

 

Hey John

Take a look at this 1112016 date code 9L4

Second pic 1111984 9H8

 

Here is what I gathered from the ebay thread, Gary's linked thread, and this thread. The ???'s are for the missing body build dates and type of stem on each distributor, so post the info and I'll add it.

So far, seven 1972 Stage 1 cars currently have a distributor dated 0 F 23, which is June 23, 1970, possibly June 23, 1980 but based on this quantity, doubtful if your asking me. Two 1971 Stage 1's also has the same 0 F 23 date code.

Feel free to post your info on all 70, 71, and 72 Stage 1 distributors and cars. Thanks to everyone so far.

1972 Stage 1's

Ebay Flame Orange car
72 Stage 1 - 03A
1112016 - 0 F 23
square stem


John Kemper
72 Stage 1 - 2/72
1112016 - 0 F 23
square stem


Jim Lore
saw a 72 stage 1 flame orange convert - ???
1112016 - 0 F 23
??? stem


RWINNEBERGER
72 Stage 1 - 10/71
1112016 - 0 F 23
square stem


James Weinman
72 Stage 1 - 08C
1112016 - 0 F 23
square stem


Brian McMillan
1972 stage 1 - 04A
1112016 - 0 F 23
??? stem


Shad Meier
72 Stage 1 - 03A
1112016 - 0 F 23
square stem


1971 Stage 1's

Anonymous
71 Stage 1 - 02A
1112016 - 0 F 23
square stem

Rusty Davenport
1971 Stage 1 - 09B
1112016 - 0 F 23
square stem


1970 Stage 1's

Johnny Angel
70 Stage 1 - 03C
1112016 - 9 L 4
round stem


David Walker
70 Stage 1 - ???
1112016 - 9 L 4
square stem


John Chamberlain
70 Stage 1 - 10/69
1112016 - 9 K 1
square stem

John Chamberlain
70 Stage 1 - 10/69
1112016 - 9 K 3
square stem

John Chamberlain
70 Stage 1 - 10/69
1112016 - 9 K 3
square stem


John Chamberlain
70 Stage 1 - 4/70
1112016 - 9 L 4
square stem

John Chamberlain
70 Stage 1 (spare)
1112016 - 9 L 4
square stem

Donny1973
70 Stage 1 ???
1112016 - 9 G 15
round stem

Carl Rychlik
1970 Stage 1 - 05E
1112016 - ???
square stem

Dave WE1
1970 Stage 1 - ???
1112016 - 9 K 3
round stem

Dave WE1
1970 Stage 1 - 09D
1112016 - 9 G 15
round stem

Dave WE1
1970 Stage 1 - ???
1112016 - 9 K 3
round stem

 

Very interesting David. It seems as though at the moment, I am the only one who has the 1970 car with a round dist. (Although it appears to have been made in 1969?) Makes me wonder, if mine is right? I am interested to see if any other 1970 cars, built near mine, have round distributors as well. Interesting post.

Regards, John.:TU:

 

Anyone know what a 1112006 distributor is out of?

 

James;
Thanks for starting the interesting thread. I have always wondered about the date codes. Here is what I know about my 1972 Stage 1. I purchased it from the original owner June 2 2006. He (John) ordered it in March of 1972 and took delievery in June 1972. Besides basic tune ups, nothing has been changed. Although I can not provide all the information today. I have the car in winter storage. I am not sure what all the codes are, so here is what I have;

Vin# 4G37V2H195277

ST72 43437FL1 225200 BDY
108 14 B PNT
04A A52

Carb;
7042243 MD 2721
I know this is not a stage 1 carb. But I truly believe this is what John got.

Trans;
P2028B
42H195277


The odometer reads about 62k. I also believe this is actual mileage.
I will provide additional information in early spring for the distributor and
anything else you may need. Hope this helps.

 

1970 350-4bbl Hi-Compression
1971 350 w/M.T.

:TU:

 

I'll add to the confusion! Here is a list of my 70 Stage 1 cars and their distributor numbers -- yes, they are all 016 distributors.

The "prototype" 70 Stage 1 built in Sept 69 --9K1 square
Red 70 Stage 1 4 speed built in Oct 69 --9K3 -- square
Red 70 Stage 1 automatic built Oct 69 9K3 -- square
Brown 70 Stage 1 automatic built Oct 69 -3J24 - square
Red 70 Stage 1 automatic convertible built April 70 9L4 -- square
Spare 70 Stage 1 distributor -- 9L4 square. Guess this one is for late cars.

If there is any conclusion here, at least in my camp, it appears that all original 70 stage 1 distributors had the square flange. Hmmmm. Interesting thread!

 

Reason I asked is that is the number on my distributor in my 70 Stage 1 car. May have been changed out over the years. I do know that the 1112006 distributor was used in manual shift cars and mine is a 4 speed car.

 

John,

Can you check the brown car again to see if that date code is correct? Maybe you meant 9J24, or is it a service replacement made in September 1973???

Thanks.

 

My stage 1 is
feb 2 build date
Ship on 2/23
Square and still has the red paint

 

Thanks for your input Brad. I do hope it is correct, but I sure am in the minority.

Car is a non A/C car and came to me with non A/C pulleys. I have read that all Stage cars were supposed to come with H.D. cooling, and A/C pulleys. I have talked to several people that bought their non A/C cars new, and they have the same set up as mine. Go figure? Thanks.

Regards, John.

 

The "3" could be an 8 but that is still no help as that would mean 1968 or 1978. So, I guess it must have a service replacement. At least they ordered a Stage 1 distributor to put back in it. Dang, there goes the value on that car. Oh well, the new owner of that car will get it after they pry my cold, dead fingers off it! :beer

 

Here's a few more. The first is an early '70 round stem, the next two are later square stems and the last are two of my repros. My blanks have the square stem as well.

 

Brad,
Does your 71 still have the 2016? If so, what is the date code, build date, and stem type? I only have info on one 71, so I thought maybe you could give us something to compare it to.

JKC,
Maybe you need to send that one to me for a closer look so I can really get this information correct. :laugh:

Donny,
Thanks for the pics. I can't read the date code on the third original one (blue cap) so if you post it that would be helpful. The second one looks like a service replacement so I didn't include it in my post above showing the data. Your re-stamps look nice. Have you ever seen a blank round stem housing?


Anyone interested,
So far, it looks like the latest date code stamped on any original 2016 distributor is 0 F 23, and these are only on one 1971 car, and seven 1972 cars (no late 1970 cars yet). The latest stamping on an original 2016 on a 1970 car was 9L4. There are plenty of earlier dates before the 9L4, but none after until the famous 0 F 23's.

Certainly there were some distributors stamped between November 4, 1969 and June 23, 1970. I would also think there were some stamped after June 23, 1970.

Keep the info coming. :TU:

 

I have an original distributor in my Stage 1 and it has the square flange. I haven't checked the datecode on it yet,but the car has a late build(05E).

I believe the reason why GM finally had the square flange was to allow the use of an open end wrench to help turn and free up a frozen distributor. As all of you know this problem is quite common(and for all cars with distributors).