they all look the same!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rant: JUST ABOUT ALL OF THEM they just all look the same too me:spank: :rant: :shock: even the jap cars and the US. cars look the same :shock: The biggest disappointment is the GTO 1).small block chevy power 2).no hood scoops ( a GTO trademark) 3).true dual exhaust exiting out one side :rant: uzzled: meanwhile the single exhaust cars exit on both sides WTF is that :rant:
I'm in the market right now for a new car..and DAMIT! :rant: (now I have a use for this guy) the all look the F'n same :rant: . My truck with 252,000 miles looks better then whats out there now.....I have no idea what to do at this point and its getting me pissed :rant: ....sorry for the rant, I'm just frustrated with whats out there.
With most of the older cars, you can tell what they are when you see them go down the road, these newer cars, you can't tell what they are until you get up to them and read the emblems. Much of the newer cars are to plain, to bland, and definitley to slow(some of the newer cars are a little slower). Cars now days are even to complicated to do any "do-it-yourself" kind of workou: -Cody
Nearly unrelated opinions on the topic- 1) I think the new Aveo might look kinda cool in a 2-door. 2) The BMW Isetta is still the ugliest car ever produced, despite GM's recent numerous efforts to knock it out of the top spot. 3) New ugly car (but in a good way)-- Subaru Forester STi: http://www.cartoday.com/content/news/singlepage.asp?in=5549 - Freed
Hey guys, is there any way we can tell GM what people want? Im tired of American car companies trying to look like japanese. I heard a study today that japan has a 5 year buying cycle, and america has 7. I want a 7 year cycle damnit! NOT FIVE! The Big 3 need to wake up and realize their roots of creating unique cars, not copying japanese econoboxes. Any suggestions on how to tell them what we think?
Exactly why I quit being a NASCAR fan. If you took all the decals off the cars, you couldn't tell a Chevy from a Ford from a Dodge from a probably soon to be Toyota!uzzled:
Here's my set of "ugly american cars" in the big 3 companies. 1) GM-obviously pontiac is the ugly duckling here 2)Ford- the ford forcus, look at it and tell me, is it a honda civic, or ford? 3)Chrysler-The ugliest car i think they make is the dodge neon-looks to much like a freakin bug Here's my list of ugly foriegn cars: 1) 99.9 percent of them all are ugly to me:blast: Easy explanation for my list of ugly cars:laugh: -Cody
What you said is exactly true. And correct me if im wrong, but on a car with ford emblems, nothing, not a dang thing on them nascars are what they claim to be. The engines are all the same! If that aint bad enough, they have equal amount of everything on them:af: What kind of competition would you call that? Newer cars look too much alike in more than 1 way:af: -Cody
I've definitely gotta agree with 'ya on that one! Pontiac hasn't made a car that wasn't ugly for quite some time.:beer
Well I agree to some extend with this statement, but on the other had you and I like the old cars. Take someone who likes the newer stuff (which also includes me) and put a 70 chevelle, a 70 gs,a 70 road runner, a 70 mustang, a 70 442, a 70 gto and a 70 whatever beside each other and they will also tell you they all look the same. Careful with the slow cars comment, many of these 'rice burners" as you enjoy slanging them will kick your butt, period. 350Z, G35 coupe, GTO, the new mustang, they all have some pretty good numbers stock, and mods are easy for many of these...I have a friend with 400+ hp talon (it wieghs 3000 pounds and awd!) on the street, and of course the f-bods and various other cars can make awesome power as well. Its all fine to pick on the new cars and seems to be a real sore spot but they work very well any way you look at them... And as for working on them, people put them together, people repair them, it only take some know how and some tools.... later Tim
The day I had my car dyno'd, the guy after me had one of those 360z cars with the twin turbo/intercooler setup. I was in awe that one of those japcrapriceburners could put out 380 HP at the rear wheels. :shock: I don't think it was on the bottle either, but the machine operator actually ran the car so I doubt it if any nitrous was being burned on this run. It ran clean, too. Mine made black smoke.:ball: I felt bad enough that my stock 425 could only make 220 HP, but then that car made me feel even worse. Only good thing is the Cobra kit car that was up after him had a nasty 428 and made about 460 HP, it was the most powerful run that I saw that day.:Brow:
TimR hit it on the head. Your outlook on cars depends on what era you like. I work with a bunch of young guys and when I drive the Stage1 one to work all they can talk about is the engine. To a man they all add the caveat " its cool...... for an old car". But, when pressed on its styling they say its "OK.... for an old car." When a newer Supra came in for some work you'd think a Ferrari had rolled in. Comments like "now this is the best looking car on the planet" or " I bet you wish your car looked this good" or my favorite "this bad boy would smoke you in a second"('course they forget my GS runs low 11's with traction probs). The point is to each their own. I find many new cars attractive although I am a musclecar guy. And I personally like the new GTO. Smooth styling, very quick, excellent handling and a useable backseat. I like the fact that it's not stylistically overdone with crap tacked on.
I agree. I hate Motor Trend anyway. They hoot and hollar over the blah foreign stuff all the time. I agree, I like the Tahoe too. I also now like the look of the Ford Explorer again. I own a 94 and it's the last year I really liked the style, now they seem to be getting big and boxy again, and I kind of like it. The Durango looks like a bad dream. How a truck can go from totally cool to totally uzzled: overnight is beyond me. Looks like Daimler has their hands in everything, including design. You can keep your Hemi if it comes in that package.
I agree with Tim. Consider todays mid size with that of the 70s. Take example my car as it was stock: 350-2, th350, comfortably optioned 71 skylark custom. An 03 midsize- Grand prix or aurora would eat that car for lunch, stock to stock, and enjoy much better milage at that. the majority of new cars are faster if you compare them to their class. 67 Z28, 396 4 speed- much slower than an 03 LS1 camaro. Granted yesteryear's compact is todays fullsize. That I hate, but accept. As far as rice burners Vs muscle cars, were a different breed then they are, not superior or inferior. You have to respect them, and there cars. To go around blasting rice burners is immature, and ultimatly ignorant. Some of those cars are quicker than yours, and some are slower. I don't care what anybody says, for every ridiculous looking sub-compact, there is some smuck in a ridiclous muscle car who is just as bad. Old cars look the same too. Its a fact of life. Cars that don't look the same have been listed in this very thread, such as the element, avalanche and so on. Cars are designed to meet todays styles. Look at style trends in fashion, its the same thing. alot of people have teh same hair do, and wear the same type of clothes. its all trends.... Thats why everything looks the same, not just cars. and it will always be like that too.o No:
Don't even get me started with that subject. My 2002 Durango has bad upper left ball joint. Waiting so far for about 4 weeks for the friggin part to come in from Chrysler. A BALL JOINT!!!! They say it's because the Dodges have ben plagued with this ball joint problem, it was on TV it's so bad. But still man, who the F is going to pay for my new front tires once the edges are finally worn off when the ball joint finally arrives?? :blast: :blast:
the one thing that alwasy cracks me up about the car magazines is their bias. When a new model comes out, its wonderful, its great, its awesome, and its the car of the year. next year when the new models come out, you hear all the bad stuff about last years car of the year!!!ou: Prime example is a car and driver I picked up lately. There is an article in there about the 500,000.00 Mercedes SLR supercar, and there is an article about the new C6 vette. In the vette article, they say the gaps and aligment is excellent, but in the list of "whats hot" and "whats not", they have door gaps as "whats not"...HUH? And if you look at the picture of the SLR, the door gap appears to be HUGE, which is quite funny considering it costs 10 times as much as the vette....and it doesn't get mentioned. Go figure. Don't get me wrong, I love the old cars, I enjoy them a lot and they are fun to work on, but lets be realistic abut them, because otherwise all that happens is it makes the hobby and us look bad. later Tim
You may love them or you may hate them, but the fact is, most newer cars are superior in most aspects to our beloved muscle cars!! They drive better, have more power on average, more creature comforts, better fuel economy and are better on the enviroment. However, I think they are being built as "Disposable" autos now. I see no future in collections featuring compurterized autos. I bought a 1990 454SS Chevy many years back thinking it would some day be worth something. That is not going to happen. Sure, some exotic cars will be a good add-on to a collection, but how many of us will be able to afford one? I like being different! That is why I always liked Buicks. The new ones may be superior, and their owners may laugh, but my GS is my own preference. See what that AWD Eagle or Eclipse will be worth in 30 years. Oh, forgot, it will be recycled in my new 234 pickup!!!!:grin:
I think the current Vette is the only decent looking one, the new C6 hasn't really grown on me yet. Leave it to GM to get something just right and then stop making it. Examples: '87 GN, '96 Impala SS. The last few year or two of making something, they work all the bugs out and then drop it and build something else that needs to be de-bugged:af: Maybe if people would have more loyalty to the American nameplates the manufacturers wouldn't be trying to make everything look like jap crap.
Agree with all:beer Except I have a compliment to make on the older cars and newer ones. On the older muscle cars, you can buy aftermarket and resto parts, compatible parts, etc to fit on your muscle car to add a lot more horsepower. I will take a 1970 buick skylark for example. drop a 455 in it, bore and stroke it out, put headers on it, heads, 4 speed(auto or manual), 12 bolt posi, put some fiberglass parts on it to lose weight, put a 4 barrel carb on it, put in a few more dollars for the looks of the car and you have yourself a very fast and good streetable/race car(muscle car). Now for the newer cars:Not much except maybe a turbo or supercharger to ad on. This stuff is expensive, but very worth it if you have the money and time. There is so much you can do to an old car that i can't even think of all the stuff. The only thing good about a newer car is the warranties and they make good winter cars(if they are front wheel drive). I like almost all cars. It's just im a "die hard buick fan" and I will never let the name "Buick" or "muscle car" be put down. My oppinion=older cars have more advantages with power, style, and of course looks. Fact=newer cars have advantages as well, including acceptable power and very decent handling with good style:bglasses: Im sorry for being such a blabber:boring: -Cody
