Bruce, If you listened to the law enforcement press conferences, you would have heard them say again and again, that they wouldn't comment on the details until the investigation was complete. That will be several months I think. The guns may have been locked up for all we know. He may have found a way around that. He wasn't stupid, just insane.
so should crossbows, bows, nunchucks, swords, i can go for ever be outlawed also. last time a checked a knife was originally designed to kill also.
does that matter now. how he got the guns. he stole them. if didnt steal his mothers gun would he used something else? who knows. the point is he decided to kill a bunch of kids in a school. he didnt tell nobody ahead of time and no one knew his intentions. the only way you could have stopped him is during his actions with some kind of excessive force or possibly negotiations(which i think the first would have been the only thing he would allow). could anything have stopped this. doubtful. there is the slim chance that armed gaurd/police officer/samaritan may have or at least lessened the blow. the point is unless you know ahead of time you cannot stop someone from killing someone unless you do during the action. punish them later sure but not stop it.
so if he went in with a bolt action deer rifle or pump shotgun its a whole different story and ok? still holds enough to kill muptlie and quick to reload. why do people want to place blame on a object rather than the crazy person who used it wrong.
Thats correct. You cant yell fire in a theater. You also cant incite a riot or say something that can produce an imminent lawless action. But hate speech, speech that will hurt someones feelings or speech that will incite a future lawless action at some indefinite time in the future is protected.
Re: , Connecticut For the record, I hate this thread and every thing about it.:af: I hate the tradegy, and I hate that some want to use every tradegy for their own agenda:af: But the term ''assault weapons'' is a lie, a big fat political lie. Assault weapons have been banned since 1939!!! They have been banned for so long, most people dont know the difference and havent even seen one before. There are rifles that look like assault rifles, but looking like something isnt illegal. Besides, box cutters and fertilizer have prooven to be more effective than guns for mass murder!!! And why are we even talking about assault weapons vis-a-vis the Newtown shooting? He left the rifle in the car.
Re: , Connecticut I agree, I hate this thread too. There is nothing to be gained by it's existence. BTW, the rifle was the only gun used to kill these children. He used one handgun to shoot himself as the police arrived. There were more gun(s) in the car.
Re: , Connecticut The unfortunate truth is that he did use the rifle during the shootings. But you are correct that what most people are calling to ban, were highly restricted by the National Firearms Act of 1934.
Reply to Tony Rose (post #55 - too long to repost). With all due respect, arming teachers is a very bad idea. The last thing that we want is loaded guns in a school building. Teachers are human, and are subject to the same failings as the rest of us. They are not trained police officers. Their primary job is to teach. As a retired vocational instructor, I can just see myself under a car on a lift, helping a kid access the rear plugs on a transverse-mounted V6, both hands occupied, with a pistol in a holster on my belt. No way! I am a strict constitutionalist and totally support our second amendment rights; in Massachusetts, the only person who may have a firearm on any school property is an on-duty police officer. Even an off-duty police officer may not carry on school property. This is as it should be.
Re: , Connecticut Ive heard the rifle was left in the car and he only used two handgunso No: But I dont know for sure, because everyone talking about this story has an agenda to push. And the media will never let the truth be told if it dosnt fit the story:blast:
Re: , Connecticut You heard that? Where did you get that information? It makes a difference. Could it be that you heard that from other people? Unfortunately, a lie can make it around the world 4 times before the truth even gets it's boots on. Every major news network, even the conservative ones like Fox news reported that he used the .223 rifle. One of the handguns was used to shoot himself. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/12/16/at-least-26-dead-in-shooting-at-connecticut-school/ "The rifle used was a Bushmaster .223-caliber, according to an official with knowledge of the investigation who was not authorized to speak about it and talked on condition of anonymity. The gun is commonly seen at competitions and was the type used in the 2002 sniper killings in the Washington, D.C., area. Also found in the school were two handguns, a Glock 10 mm and a Sig Sauer 9 mm."
And this is why it happened... If ''gun free zones'' is the answer and ''access to firearms'' is the problem.... Why are we talking about another school shooting and not another gun show shooting? Look at who these nut jobs target, its ALWAYS soft targets, and misguided gun laws only make more people and places targets. This nut wanted to kill children, do you really in your heart believe any laws could have stopped him? An hour on Google and he could have made a home made bomb! Heck a couple of milk jugs full of gas & cooking oil and a road flare fuse would have been just as effective and he probibly could have gotten away.
Restrictions that were in place from 1994-2004. Restrictions that did nothing to prevent the Columbine, Colorado school shooting incident in 1999. Einstein defined insanity as doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting different results. Another approach must be sought if this type of tragedy is to be prevented in the future. Should this include discussion of reinstating previous bans with revisions? I must say it needs to be discussed even though I am a strong supporter of individual liberties. It is clear to me however, that such prohibitions alone do little to prevent such atrocities.
Surely you don't equate one with the other. 22LR round: (the most powerful spec's I could find) [TABLE="class: infobox"] <tbody>[TR] [TD]30 gr (2 g) Copper-Plated RN[SUP][2][/SUP][/TD] [TD]1,750 ft/s (530 m/s)[/TD] [TD="colspan: 2"]204 ftlbf [/TD] [/TR] </tbody>[/TABLE] .223 (also the most powerful I could find, to keep it even): [TABLE="class: infobox"] <tbody>[TR] [TD]60 gr (4 g) Nosler partition[/TD] [TD]3,160 ft/s (960 m/s)[/TD] [TD="colspan: 2"]1,330 ftlbf[/TD] [/TR] </tbody>[/TABLE]
police and laws cant stop really anything thats what im trying to say me are you trying to explain the same thing to people. when i person takes this action unless you have forwarned knowledge you cant stop it. armed gaurds may help but they are not a gaurantee to stop it. get him mental help ive heard that. whats that going to help then he would be certified nut and still kill people. sadly what 90% of the population seem to forget is there are bad be them saine or insaine that kill people. they dont care about laws, rules, or morals.
I just think that how the guns are stored needs to be part of the discussion. It should be difficult for nut cases to get their hands on them AND the ammunition. I'm surprised that it isn't more in the forefront of all the discussions going on. Seems even the NRA could agree on better controlled access. Of course people will say it's not going to prevent things from happening........ou:
