How could someone let your car out of their shop looking like that. I think I would be in jail if that was my car! Bill
Hey Guys thanks for your words of encouragement and support. I'm just hoping it will work out and I can give my car the look it deserves. I will post some pics that I took right after I got it back together and I must say it looks pretty good from 5 feet away.
maybe you should have some magnetic signs made up and drive around to a few car shows and cruise nights advertising for him.....it may save others in your area some trouble.:Brow:
That is paint shrinkage. I posted this about 1-2 years ago , so if you saw it then , sorry to repeat myself ! I had Mark Reeves install a quarter on my car , and seal with PPG DP. I brought the car home , put it in the basement , and coverd it. A few MONTHS later , I took the cover off , and the DP had cracks exactly like those on your car. I called Mark , told him what happened , and he said bring it back and he would fix. He did. They sanded everything back down , and re shot the DP . He also advised me not to cover the car for 2 weeks. I have had no problems ever since. Things happen , people make mistakes , etc. The difference here is Mark stood up and took responsibilty , whether the paint was the issue , or me covering the car while the paint was still gassing out , didn't matter to him. My satisfaction did . Can't recommend his shop enough
Dude ~ I feel for ya man! Sorry you have to go through this...I feel everyone gave you sound advice. Why don't you post the name of this "shop" so anyone in your area thinking of using him will be aware. Even if he makes good on this mess, people should still know about him. As far as takin' the $2100 ~ I say NO WAY! Why should you? You gave him hard $$$ you borrowed to lay some new skin on your Baby ~ he needs to be held accountable for his actions as a business owner. This isn't a small-misshap-oh-I'm-sorry sort of thing. You had an agreement and he reneged on a few agreed upon points ~ and ultimately the overall job. You paid and he screwed up. Accept nothing but the same quality paint job he did on his Chevy. (Work on every house like it's your own!!!) You didn't pay for a Maaco job (which would have been much better for much less from what this sounds like!). Gather up all documentation, take pics in Hi-Def, get any witnesses together, get a lawyer and make sure you sue for the legal fees. Chances are it's not going to be a small claims matter. Try to keep it gentlemanly at first ~ be diplomatic. If he doesn't bite, then you tell him the name of your attorney, and strongly suggest that he gets one! If he's smart he'll cut his losses. Any Judge worth his salt should award you fully. Good luck man!
Just scrutinized the close up pics - and please pardon my French - but the man is an ass...( I said YOU had to be gentlemanly and diplomatic!) The car was prepped wrong - case closed. I mean ~ that's really bad! He shouldn't be allowed to finger paint a poster much less paint someone's car. Tell him to stick to painting his own cars as that's obviously the only ones he cares about!! This really p@#^%s me off when someone does things like this to nice people! Get your money back! You can print this and take it to court with you if you like.
I've done better paint jobs from spray cans. That panel gap really jumps out at you. You've got an awesome car, but they really screwed up the paint and body work. Good luck with the outcome.
I agree with much of what has been said above. Been down this road more than once too myself. First: Don't let this guy fix it! I had the same thing happen to one of mine many years back. Months later the guy fixed it for me for free. He would not strip it and said it would be fine. Car still cracked out and eventually was fixed at another shop. 20 years later you can still see a few cracks from where it was never completely stripped. Second: He needs to give you your full amount of cash back. What he has done is cost you money in the long run. It will now cost you more to ge the car painted because of what he has done. Stripping a car completely is not that easy. His body filler will also need to come out because it sounds like he doesn't know what he is doing. Third: You mentioned price as being one reason you used him. If you want a nice paint job you had better get that reason out of your head. Over the decades I have finally learned you get what you pay for. I have learned to get all quotes and expectations in writing now. It would be a good ideal for you to do this on the next job. I am a firm believer in the old hand shake but unfortunately 90% of the people I run into these days are not believers. Just make a simple paper up. Mention the price, paint materials to be used and what items are expected to be removed/installed for the process. If he is buffing it also include that. It might not be worth a whole lot if ending up in court but it's better than nothing and it will let him know in the beginning that you are serious about the car.
A number of folks have commented that you shouldn't let the guy touch the car ever again. That would also be my sentiment, but you may have no choice. Check your state laws. You may be required to give the shop an opportunity to correct the problem before you take the car elsewhere or bring a lawsuit.
Whoa Josh. That is worse than I envisioned. I guess from your earlier description that I thought you had to look close to see the faults. Stevie Wonder could spot that crap. Mr. Perfect Camaro doesn't deserve a dime. Personally, I think 5k is on the cheap side, especially if it included materials but that certainly is no excuse for the sort of work he turned out. I still wouldn't bother with the law though. I don't see how it can be worth it for less than 3k.
It WILL cost more then 5K to fix that mess!!! Stripping to metal is your only option for a paint job that will last any length of time at all. As an individual that paints cars in my at home shop, I WOULD NEVER EVEN BEGIN TO ALLOW SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO LEAVE MY GARAGE. Sorry for your troubles, but you have a mess to get cleaned up......
this is really starting to piss me off - I'd call the police and file a vandalism report because thats what he did to your car, he vandalized it not painted it.
After seeing those pics even Earl Scheib would cringe. Dude, I don't think there's any way you can lose in court if you can prove that this is what the car looked like after you picked it up. The only thing working against you is that you DID pick it up and drive away and pay. Hopefully you will find a judge that would agree his or her grand daughter could do a better job.
WOW! That really is terrible:eek2: I painted my 69 Cali as a first timer paint rookie,just to see how i could do.It came out way better than what you have.Hate to agree with most but that needs to go back to bare metal again.He did cost you money.Sorry for your loss.ou:
The paint job on my Skylark was about 5k and is very nice. I would imagine prices in Kansas are comparable or probably a little cheaper than where I live. I agree with everybody else for 5k you should have been able to get a decent paint job perhaps not show quality but very nice for a driver type of car.
This is what I was thinking too. I painted my car in my garage with a cheap Harbor Freight gun and an 8 gallon compressor and don't have the issues you have. I had never even painted a car before. For 5k I would expect a nice driver quality finish in the very least. I hope it all gets resolved to your liking.
Thats just an application meltdown........... It looks to me like "checking", "crazing" of the top coat. These are the possible causes of it: (A) Excessive film thickness of the undercoat and/or topcoat. (B) Refinishing over a previously crazed/cracked surface. (C) Insufficient flash time between coats and/or force drying undercoats using air from the spray gun. (D) Mixing incorrectly or using too much hardener. (E) Paint ingredients not thoroughly stirred or agitated. (F) Breakdown of finish due to prolonged exposure to sunlight, moisture, and extreme temperature changes.(G) Using generic reducers and/or hardeners. I wouldn't jump on the back to metal bandwagon yet, If its only a problem in the clear it may only need to be sanded down to remove the checking. The problem there is that its very hard to do that without putting a wave or two into the paint. So you need to at least take it down to primer and re-prime and block again. Thats really a heart breaker, I wish you the best
Ken, I don't think the law would frown upon him picking the car up and paying. In fact, if he hadn't, Mr. Perfect Camaro could have sued him and tacked on dang storage fees to boot. I'm just going by all those silly Judge Brown type shows, I'm no expert. Mr. Perfect Camaro:blast: :blast: :blast:
I'm guessing you cut and pasted that info and it certainly could be any of those or a combination of them, with the exception of (F). It certainly looks like it's a reaction of some sort, and from his description, it worsened as it cured. Like you said, you'd have to get some primer over it again, at the very least, but no pro or semi-pro is going to want to risk that. They're going to want to start over because they don't know what's under that base coat.
