Interesting rules on another site im on

That’s great. In our state that is not what we were taught in class. Especially if the glove box doesn’t have a lock on it.

 

I’m not surprised as Florida is pretty well known as a very “gun friendly” state anyway.

 

"can we all agree that ANY amount of innocents killed by criminals "by any means" is unacceptable"?

Mild change to what Larry wrote above to be more inclusive

 

But yes. True. As far as I know you can carry in the open, say on the front seat. In your vehicle without a ccw. In our state it’s called the castle law. I do know some truckers that do this.

 

Who is this 'we'?

 

I do kind of agree with some group's opposition to Red Flag laws. I think that is a far far more slippery slope than trying to ban the latest high-tech weapons.

 

I base my opinions on gun owners on the actions of the NRA, and from what I've seen over the years there is no concession. At all. Even over things you would think are common sense. The NRA lobbyed and got repealed a law that prevented the mentally ill from getting guns is the most glaring example off the top of my head.

 

Hard to prove US Citizens are the ones bringing in fentanyl if reliable factual reports are dismissed out of hand, but...

• United States citizens comprised 86% of fentanyl trafficking convictions in 2021.6 1,322 of the 1,533 charged fentanyl trafficking offenders were US citizens.7 Even the CATO Institute, a libertarian think tank, acknowledges this point. In fact, just 0.02% of people arrested by Border Patrol for illegally crossing possessed fentanyl.8
• More than 96% of fentanyl seizures along the border since the start of fiscal year 2023 have been at legal US ports of entry.9 Fentanyl is rarely carried over the border through the desert. It’s being smuggled across legal points of entry inside seat cushions, car batteries, even inside the metal frame of a walker.

https://www.thirdway.org/memo/the-t...prised 86,think tank, acknowledges this point.

 

I agree about red flag laws. Although I oppose the slippery slope of banning guns with specific features for several reasons, we did it once and it was a national statute with no grey area. A red flag law is much, much more subjective and every single decision would hinge upon an individual judge’s opinion of another person’s statements and an individual’s rebuttal. These individual judges might let their personal beliefs influence their judgement. Combine that with ‘abundance of caution’ and maybe mix in ulterior motives and a fellow might never get his guns back.
Two very significant Supreme Court decisions regarding 2A were prompted by individuals’ behavior and personal opinions regarding guns (NY Rifle and Pistol and Heller).
Patrick

 

From the Cato institute, which is a pretty middle-of-the-road / left-right kinda place

Fentanyl overdoses tragically caused tens of thousands of preventable deaths last year. Many politicians who want to end U.S. asylum law claim that immigrants crossing the border illegally are responsible. An NPR‐Ipsos poll last week found that 39 percent of Americans and 60 percent of Republicans believe, “Most of the fentanyl entering the U.S. is smuggled in by unauthorized migrants crossing the border illegally.” A more accurate summary is that fentanyl is overwhelmingly smuggled by U.S. citizens almost entirely for U.S. citizen consumers.

https://www.cato.org/blog/fentanyl-smuggled-us-citizens-us-citizens-not-asylum-seekers

 

Larry no poke or laughing matter.
People rarely talk about the other folks that die or are hurt by other means. In the last few weeks a tech owner was stabbed outside his San Francisco apartment (assailant still on the loose) . The retired Fire Chief attacked and beaten with a pipe by a homeless man. Many examples those are 2 that I heard about this past week.
As for hitting close to home?????
My son Steven. active duty Marine, took his own life with a handgun. He had had enough of the pain from his injuries and was told " almost all of the previous surgeries would need to be redone. He had enough.
I don't blame him or the gun, nor do I have negative feelings about it. Love and an extreme sense of loss is my burden to carry.
I'm also a range safety officer and educator. Rifle range director, assistant jr.shooters educator. My wife , Son and I all have concealed carry licenses and this state doesn't even require it.
Larry please get past the people are out to get you as I look at you as a Friend. Do friends always need to agree on everything? Hope not as life would get boring.
Now back to the thread.

 

Yeah, the best way to end up with a shot citizen is to bring cops into the situation.