Thanks Alan, I appreciate the input...Usually, its my Modus Operandae to stick with a single thred and use that as my sole means of communicating about MY projects... This place is so big that any interpersonal response from lets say a shifter adjustment, to installing a GSX front air dam is nigh impossible without shifting from the bench, to interiors, to chassisitis etc etc... I guess the "bench" seems to be the more socially acceptable avenue for Buickin' here. Does that make any sense? ou: So I guess its off to the "Group W Bench" (Alices restaurant 1966)... now wheres Officer Ogie??? Bill in TR