Fuel prices skyrocketing???

Discussion in 'The Bench' started by BUICK528, Mar 6, 2005.

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  1. doc

    doc Well-Known Member

    fuel prices

    Nothing but CORPERATE GREED. :rant: And the goverment is letting it happen because they want the fuel for the military. If the people in this country will pick a certain day and shut the country down a few times then something will be done but not untill. :Brow:
     
  2. MR.BUICK

    MR.BUICK Guest

    Maybe instead of focusing on making electric cars, maybe they should focus on making electric tanks and military transport.
     
  3. angelman

    angelman Well-Known Member

    dont forget too that your giant budget defict is making people very nervous around the world. The dollar is at an all time low and set to just get lower. Why should someone sell oil for $50/barrel if that $50 is going to be worth say $48 a month later say? If you stopped borrowing so much, controlled your deficit, took reponsiblity for your economy and the dollar then things might improve, not in the short term but in longer term.
    There is every danger that the far east will get scared and finally lose all faith in the ever declining dollar and decide to start selling.. at that time youre really in trouble, the dollar will go into freefall as will your economy as the dollar loses its position as the world currency, probably to the ever stronger euro...
    rant over
     
  4. Gran Sport66

    Gran Sport66 Well-Known Member

    Since when do we and Canada have more oil in reserve than middle-eastern countries?
    Seems to me if we had that much we'd be using it, not going over there to get it. Whoever you heard from that the whole reason we don't drill here is the "tree-huggers" is selling you something. There just isn't that much oil in the arctic refuge. The following page claims that the US government's best estimate on what is available in the refuge is minimal:
    "However, the best U.S. Geological Survey estimate is that only a six-month supply of oil could be economically recovered. The recovered oil, approximately 3.2 billion barrels spread out over 50 years, would not reach refineries for at least 10 years, and once it did would represent less than 1% of the oil Americans are projected to consume."

    http://www.envirohealthaction.org/climate/energy/articles.cfm?article_ID=111

    Less than 1%-this is the biggest reason that bills that are for drilling there are defeated-that just isn't very much oil.
    The main people who want to drill in the arctic refuge in Alaska are Alaskans and Alaskan politicians. Any of the other politicians who push for it in the congress are doing a "favor" for Alaskan politicos.

    It would be nice if we didn't have to drill here:

    http://arctic.fws.gov/index.htm
    You know, around the same time a while back that some were pushing for drilling in the refuge, Gov. Jeb Bush signed a bill that outlawed drilling in certain areas off the Florida shoreline. You can look it up.

    However, remember how in the '70s and '80s there were all kinds of "conserve energy, turn off your lights, don't leave the radio on if you are not using it" kinds of public service announcements, commercials, newspaper and magazine ads? Where is that stuff at now? I think if you take a look at who is who behind the Bush administration you'll get your answer.
    It sucks that it is "uncool" to be conscientious about conserving energy and being a "tree-hugger". I know I care about this stuff. We don't need dirtier air just because companies don't want to clean up their smokestacks-and this includes your children and your grandchildren-and theirs.
    We could use it now, since everyone wastes some energy leaving something on somewhere. I try not to.

    Read this if you want to know how the policies of YOUR government are affecting OUR environmental "quality of life": http://www.wilderness.org/Library/Documents/upload/Backgrounder-FYO6BudgetBackgrounder.pdf
    The tree-huggers back up claims in the article with verifiable footnotes, some from our governments reports.

    The worst part of all of this is that there are alternative energy sources that should be in wider use now, and for whatever reasons are not.
    I am by no means an expert on this stuff, I just took a few minutes to find some things on the web that backed up some of what I remembered about these issues after reading the posts here.

    I also heard another gas station owner say they make their money by selling all the convenience store items, like Cokes and snacks. CIgarettes.
    They only earned about 10 cents over their price for each gallon of gas-I couldn't believe it at the time. This particular station has more expensive gas than anyone in the area consistently, and has for years.

    Christopher
     
  5. Gran Sport66

    Gran Sport66 Well-Known Member

    Man, do you get all of your news from Rush and Newsmax?
    Chavez, for instance, is interested in not having to do exactly as the US says when they say it, and has fought our government for this reason. We are a huge bully around the world-he is standing up for his own country and people, and he is painted as a commie here.
    I am not for going against the USA, I live here and am a citizen, but you just have this wrong.
    Venezuela became a poor country over the last few years at least partly because their government went along with policies dictated to it by people like the WTO and our government. Look it up. But not on Newsmax.

    Anybody who wants some relief from the non-news available in regular "outlets" should try:
    http://www.ThisIsHell.com
    http://www.theNation.com
    http://www.oneworld.net/
    http://www.pacifica.org/
    http://www.democracynow.org/
    http://www.transnationale.org/
    http://www.inthesetimes.com/
    http://www.DisInfo.com

    There are certainly others, but this is good for now.

    One note of caution-it can get depressing, finding out what is "really going on".


    http://www.alternet.org/envirohealth/21391/
    http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/1964/
     
  6. Gran Sport66

    Gran Sport66 Well-Known Member

    This is funny-the corporations ARE the Bush administration. And much of the Congress. Don't even think the "fuel for the military" idea makes any sense-the government has to pay for fuel too, right?

    Ruston Kelly said:
    "as for cost,well if we keep paying what the market will bear,we have only our selves to blame!" And he's right.
    We are all the greedy ones, consuming everything in sight, with les and less regard for what it costs.

    Christopher
     
  7. Truzi

    Truzi Perpetual Student

    I remember an old political cartoon of Jimi Carter, saying "Remember when I said..." we need to improve effeciency, move to alternate fuels, etc. This was drawn out over several frames. In the last frame he was just laughing at "us."
     
  8. Jim Weise

    Jim Weise EFI/DIS 482

    Well, that's enought :rant: :rant: ... before this really gets out of hand..

    Let's move on.

    JW
     
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