A electric motor may be more efficient in converting energy(in the form of electricity) into motion than a ICE.....BUT, you have to generate that electricity which takes energy......we have all charged a lot of batteries in our live so we all know how much energy and time it takes....not quite like filling a gas tank Peace WildBill
Yeah refined gasoline falls from the sky. Figure in the time and energy to drill the oil, ship it, refine it, ship it to a distributor, etc etc.. You guys don't factor that into your arguements. I wonder what the energy required is to create a gallon of gas vs driving an electric car 25-30 miles..
You are assuming that the infrastructure and technology will not improve in the future. I have faith in American inventiveness and ingenuity. Remember, we are talking 2035.
I would like to see a comparison between what it takes to create gasoline and what it takes to create a battery. You just don't pick up lithium off the ground and hook electrodes to it. You still have to mine it, refine it, ship it to the battery manufacturer, etc..... How do you dispose of spent batteries? Plus, there are very few areas with Lithium deposits so you are SOL if your country does not have enough or any. Imagine relying on China and Afghanistan for raw materials.... Green energy in not necessarily green when you dig into it. The media wont show you that part.
According to Tesla, the batteries can be recycled, https://www.tesla.com/en_CA/support/sustainability-recycling That's one part of it. Again, we are talking 2035. Nobody can predict the future, but technology changes and progresses.
2035 is closer than you think. We are closer to 2035 than we are to 9/11/2001, an event most of still remember like it was yesterday.
ROI but at what cost? Anything can be recycled but what type of toxic biproducts are created? Gold can be recovered from electronic components but the biproducts of that process are not nice. I am not against new tech and actually look forward to it but I don't like the rainbows and unicorns surrounding the current "green" push when there are some very dark sides to this new tech. that are not being reported. Cant wait for the tree huggers to start saying "not in my back yard"
Hey mining operations are what they are. That picture could be of any of the millions of rock quarrys in existence. Do you think crude oil/drilling is not toxic and is green? It's not..
ha ha ha.....you all think our infrastructure is gonna get upgraded to handle all these electric vehicles in 14 years....ha hah ha all that chit comes from chena now....they ain't going to sell it to us....and if the do...it will have "kill gates" in the equipment to disable the grid when ever they want.....we make almost none of the materials we need to upgrade and protect the grid here in the United States....i pray for my children and grandchildren....they are the ones who will suffer this lack of foresight by our elected leaders and corporation CEO's ........ HaHaHa.....idiots. Peace WildBill p.s. i have been an electronics technician/journeyman electrician that worked at one of the most technologically advanced companies for 30+ years....what is your experience internet experts ?
This reminds me of when I bought 351W engine for the 67 Galaxie convert I owned at the time. Seller told me it had good compression, but ran a bit rough. Price was $250.00 which was a good deal. Upon hearing it run, smelling its aroma, I knew exactly how to fix the problem. Out came my "magic" screwdriver to adjust the air bleeder screws. One minute later it was purring like a kitten. Sold to the man with the proper tool. The occasional cat convertor aroma holds no comparison to 100 octane leaded premium go juice on a cool morning.
I personally think technology has advanced as far as it should for awhile. Pollution is under control, leave it be. Cars run clean enough, leave it be Enough of the harmful "publicly available" toxic cleaning products have been eliminated, leave it be. (the non toxic products suck) The EPA has its dick beaters in every business so much its almost not even profitable to be in business anymore. Were fine, leave us be. Bring on the electric cars, but dont force us to HAVE to own/drive one, those that choose to do so, thats cool We've learned our lesson, bad stuff must be disposed of properly
Riding a bicycle is what we should all do, it take no energy from the earth and you get exercise. Plus they built all these bike lanes in Akron that no one uses. Then you can hook it up to your generator to power your batteries for electric to charge up your car. See, this stuff is all easy to do we just have to do it LOL. I don't think this will turn over is 15 years heck no one in gov. can make decisions now they take forever to do anything. I just think we will have a slow transition to this electric thing. The thing that is really going to blow is we probably will not make the solar panels to run our electric grids which is what we should be doing. The smart thing would be is learn all this technology so you can get a job working on all this tech.
Electric cars have nothing to do with "green energy"... apples and oranges here folks. The cars are using a product, green energy refers to the production of that product, whether it be electricity, refined crude oil, or natural gas. To use the product, EV's have to employ some very "non green" products and processes. That is simple fact. They pollute, just in a different way. And the vast majority of EVs are going to be running on oil and natural gas far into the future.. we have just employed the oil and natural gas one step back in the process. Solar and Wind power are not efficient enough producers to do anything more than supplement the power grid. And short of covering every square mile of US territory with solar panels and windmills, they never will be anything more. Simply because on earth, we wind does no blow constantly, and it's, well, you know, dark at night... Now, you take that solar tech and build a platform in space, it's a different thing.. but we have to figure out how to transfer the power to the ground. Those advances are coming, but it's unlikely that they are 14, or even 40 years away.. JW
The key to wind/solar seems to be cracking the code for energy storage and as of now, that's yet more batteries (e.g. Tesla's Wall).
With our present climate changing (please don't tell me that it isn't; take a look at Lake Mead) I think there will be plenty of room in Phoenix for solar panel farms by 2035.
