I have lost the rest of what little respect I had left for "gm"

I’ve yet to see any manufacturer that builds a vehicle that can stay off a recall list or out of the service center (aside from routine stuff) before the last payment is made. It’s been that way since I bought my first new car 43 years ago.

 

I’ve seen the cam issues with the 5.7 Hemi I deliver to a dodge shop usually #5 cylinder from the lifter and of course the hemi exhaust bolts break

 

I had one recall on my 2011 Ram pick up for a gas tank strap which I have yet to have done yet and I think it might’ve had a carrier bearing on the rear end recall but I’m not sure it might’ve been done while it was on the lot

 

A friend that works for Ford motor production, told me that Ford is having problems with the 5 L engine.
They do NOT make products like they used. Make them quick, make them quicker = more profit..
Not about to replace my 2015 Colorado

 

It’s interesting to sit and read through this thread. I worked as a tech in the 80s and 90s at a dealership level. I can’t even imagine trying to do that job with the complexity of vehicles being made today. I’m not really defending the manufactures here, just standing from the sidelines: The basic job of a vehicle to move passengers and cargo efficiently and reliably from point A to point B, that’s the goal, always the one at the top of the list. If you look at the number of various complex systems and componentry in any new vehicle is absolutely staggering. Ridiculous even. Of course there are going to be problems. In fact, I’m surprised there aren’t more problems than what is outlined here. I think we crested the hill A while back of that sweet spot of just enough technology for Comfort, reliability, efficiency, emissions and simplicity. Me, i’m willing to do The search and pay the premium for an ultra low mile example of a vehicle from the years of that sweet spot.

Steve weim55 Colorado

 

While I hate to say it, EV's don't have all the complexity that a combustion engines does. They have less parts and systems so maybe they will be more reliable.

 

I drive lots of new trucks for work, the 2020 GM trucks have been very poor quality. I was driving a 2020 1500 and it was like a toy truck, alum tailgate, weak suspension. The truck couldn’t safely handle more than a 400 pound load lol. It would bottom out on rough roads, empty.

I liked the 2020 gmc 2500 gas, drove well, lots of power, but it was constantly have check engine lights and codes. It also drove like a grain truck, rough ride.

Vehicles are just too complicated these days, hence the lack of reliability. The other main issue is the emissions restrictions. My 2012 GMC with 6.0 gets 20% better fuel mileage with a custom tune, headers, and emissions removed.

 

That's pretty scary there Lucas! Wow, glad I have kept my 07 Duramax been good to me. It only has 52000 miles, most of them towing to BG. Not many bells or whistles, just like I ordered it, less crap to go wrong.
Fernando

 

That's true. Somewhere I read that an electric motor/trans only had IIRC, seven moving parts. If GM, I mean gm makes an EV, six of those seven parts will be recalled.

 

It seems like all the features and accessories that have tons of issues, and the computers. It’s rarely the engine and trans causing all the expensive repairs. I dont see electric solving the reliability issues, it seems all makes just want to make the vehicle last till the warranty is up.

 

Broken valve springs? Did GM find a stash of old springs from the late 80's or early 90's? I recall having to replace ALL of the valve springs, not just the broken one, on either the 2.8, 3.1. or 3.4 liter engines.

 

My ‘07 Tahoe broke a valve spring at about 90k that was fixed under extended powertrain warranty. About three years ago (240k+-) I had an AFM lifter fail and was lucky to get it unstuck without pulling the head and disabled the AFM after that. Oil consumption stopped when I did that. If it’s ever time to retire it instead of repair it, I don’t think I’ll be replacing it with a new one; like was said above I’ll look for the same thing I have now but with lower miles.
Patrick

 

I wonder if they break in earlier models like 16-17.
Those are listed as fuel injectors issues.
Toyota and Lexus have major misfire issues too but are kept quiet by our media
I rebuilt a direct injection engine every week for 2 years.
I bailed too.
Also did the sludge years at toyota. Probably close to 500 engines.
So much crap. So little news....

 

Lexus did valve springs too. I missed that batch of headaches

 

12-15 w soft cams I believe. Not all but some.
Don’t change oil lose your lifters

 

When I needed a truck a couple years ago I looked at all 3 (Ford, Ram, GM) and wound up buying a 2017 Ram Longhorn used and love it so far. It is a great truck. Sorry, I will never buy a Toyota or Nissan.

 

Glad to hear. It’s what I’m mainly shopping for.
And Ford.
Toyota has the worst turning circle I ever saw. Worked on tons of tundras.

 

I don't believe the 16-17"s had valve spring issues, but holy smokers they had/have injector issues!

 

Seems like the roller lifter axle wheel bearings are the culprit. They take a dump and then the lifter is along for the ride. Oddly FCA wants the old cam back as we are charged a core charge, and the new cam has an expiration date on the box. I wish I could make this stuff up but it's all true.

GM LS engines of many years had similar lifter woes. Good for the bottom line but obviously no good for the consumer. At least most of the broken valve springs are done under warranty.

 

Never thought I'd see the day when Id consider having a dealer replace a headlight bulb. 2015 Fusion. R low beam bulb. 2 panels under the car need to come off and the bumper cover removed to access the assembly. 0 room behind it to get the bulb out. Ford wants 2 hours labor = $325.00 which does not inc the bulb.