Upgrade to a roller setup on 1970 GS455 with many TA parts

Discussion in 'Street/strip 400/430/455' started by fanofsteel, Dec 17, 2022.

  1. Bens99gtp

    Bens99gtp Well-Known Member

    Sad we need to think about a 600 dollar set of lifters just to run a tappet cam
     
  2. Tom Righter

    Tom Righter Well-Known Member

    I hear ya, performance ain’t cheap. Also, if you consider being able to reuse them over and over, it’s a good investment.
     
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  3. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    The TA212 or TAC110 will give you plenty of vacuum for Brakes, that isn't a concern. Split duration refers to the different duration for the intake and exhaust. Look at the table you posted in post #34. There is a 6-12* difference in duration at .050, between intake duration, and exhaust duration for many of those cams. Those are split duration cams. Your comp cam had the same duration for intake and exhaust. (218*) Holding the exhaust valve open a bit longer helps the lower flowing exhaust port. Also look at the overlap @ .050 column in the table. Overlap is when both valves are open at the same time. That lowers idle vacuum, and roughens the idle.

    Engines will make more HP the higher you can spin them, AS LONG AS THEY CAN BREATHE AT THAT HIGHER RPM. Holding the valves open longer lets the engine breathe at higher RPM. It also bumps the power range up. You give up a bit of lower RPM power for much bigger gains up top. It's a trade off, but for smaller cams like you are considering, it is well worth it. The larger the engine displacement, the less you will actually notice the loss of low end. The BBB has so much low end torque, you can give some up.

    You have a really good breathing set of heads. That accentuates the power gains from any cam. If you don't mind the rougher idle, definitely step up. It's all what you are willing to live with.
     
    Last edited: Dec 23, 2022
  4. Tomahawk

    Tomahawk Platinum Level Contributor

    Yes, they're both split duration. I went with TA 284-88H because it has "slightly more torque than TA 212". I thought it sounded so good that I'd turn the radio off at stop lights so I could listen to the engine.

    With any of those three cams, there's plenty of vacuum for power brakes.

    If money is no object, you may want to consider having your heads ported for even more flow...any cam you get is going to appreciate that.

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    Last edited: Dec 23, 2022
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  5. CanadaCat

    CanadaCat Well-Known Member

    I have the 284-88H cam as well. It has plenty of vacuum for power brakes (approx 16” in N @800, 12” in gear @600), my old boss had the 212 in his and he was running 18” in N and 14” in gear. You’ll be fine with the smaller grinds, the overlap @.50 is what to look for for idle vacuum for the most part, stay below 6* and it’ll be good.
     
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  6. 70 GMuscle

    70 GMuscle Plan B

    The flat tappet cams have a taper to push the cam to the rear of engine.
    The lifters have a crown to help spin on the tapered camshaft.
    I would install the cam with no lube and the lifters. Spin engine by hand and make sure all the lifters spin. If not swap them to other locations. If the do not spin at all.
    Send them out to have the face machined for a crown. It’s being done with good results.
     
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  7. Bens99gtp

    Bens99gtp Well-Known Member

    This is becoming a more and more important step......I mark each lifter ontop with a permanent marker and install with all marks lined up. Makes it easier to see which do turn.

    Started doing this a few years ago after a bbc ate a cam that clearly 6 lifters didnt spin and they ate right through
     
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  8. BrianTrick

    BrianTrick Brian Trick

    The real problem is manufacturing. The majority of these companies source out different steps in the manufacturing of the parts. They either change the manufacturer because of price,or they simply can’t get the same place to do it anymore. I’ve seen it since the 2000’s. Fluidamper was good,until they made a change. Harland Sharp changed their heat-treat and immediately started having issues with their pushrod cups and locks. Comp had an issue with their roller lifters in the late 2000’s for the same thing. I could go on all day with examples. The increase in profit soon becomes a huge loss,especially once the word gets out. Then it takes some years to re-establish your name.
     
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  9. hugger

    hugger Well-Known Member

    College educated Bean counters always messing up a good thing,....will never change
     
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  10. BrianTrick

    BrianTrick Brian Trick

    Exactly Hugger. This is how I have always gone about life:
    If you provide a product or service the best it can possibly be,you will never have an issue making money,period. I will never change from that. Sure,you will have the ones looking for a deal,and sooner or later,they come back with their tail in between their legs. If your first question is price,stop,you already made too many mistakes.
    Example: You build a $5k engine and it fails. You spend another $5k to get it all fixed and sorted out. Now you have $10k in a $5k engine,and it’s still not that good,but you got a deal,right?
     
  11. 70 GMuscle

    70 GMuscle Plan B

    Interesting video here.
     
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  12. Mark Demko

    Mark Demko Well-Known Member

    Cay yams:p:p:p
     

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