Stop me before I do something stupid

Discussion in 'V-8 Buick Powered Regals' started by Geesie, Feb 14, 2008.

  1. CantBeataChevy

    CantBeataChevy Buick admirer,Chevy owner

    Sorry guys, stock for stock the sbc 350 is superior to the buick 350 - no contest. If they were better they certainly would bring more than pocket change.

    The early (74 and earlier) had high nickle content and could be bored +.100 over in some cases. The later blocks were lighter but could still go .060 reliably. The 2 bolt Chevy's bbc and sbc can handle mucho HP w/just 2 bolt mains. 600HP is not an issue in a 2 bolt BBC.

    Dont you guys needs girdles or something for just about anyking of power? What good is lightweight if block intergrity is compromised? Your oiling systems are also a disaster.

    "We mock, what we dont understand"
    :Smarty:
     
  2. sharkmonkey

    sharkmonkey Give me something to hit!

    Uh, Oh. This is going to get ugly real fast...
     
  3. bob k. mando

    bob k. mando Guest

    Sorry guys, stock for stock the sbc 350 is superior to the buick 350 - no contest.

    okey dokey.

    the i guess the SBC isn't worth sh#t because all the drag rice guys would rather run Hemi's. :spank:

    and the BBB has spanked the Hemi in two out of three heads up run-offs. :moonu:

    let's be honest, you get more performance per buck spent on an SBC because that engine has had 50 years of R&D and production of performance parts.

    why has there been so much effort spent on the SBC and nothing else? because the SBC is almost the exclusive competition engine on short track ovals.

    why is the SBC the engine of choice on roundy rounds? because circle track racing makes the car disposable and a Chevy was the only thing that was cheap enough and plentiful enough for the normal shade tree mechanic to acquire and race.

    an interesting corollary to this is that one day car collectors will wake up and realize that there are hardly any 70's Camaro's or 70's to 80's GM mid-size cars around ... because they've all been used up on the circle tracks.




    Dont you guys needs girdles or something for just about anyking of power?


    once you go over 600hp in the BBB, yes. they can handle 600 just fine. and we are well aware of the weakness of the BBB. that's why guys are slavering for an aftermarket version.

    there is no such problem with the SBB. as an example, the 231v6 is a derivative of the SBBv8 and they've turbo'ed those over 1000hp. with one fewer main bearing and a split throw crank.




    The 2 bolt Chevy's bbc and sbc can handle mucho HP w/just 2 bolt mains.


    maybe for a light duty cycle like drag racing. you won't get away with really pushing the envelope in a circle track car on a 2 bolt main without grenading a lot of blocks. i don't care what kind of engine you're using.

    if you want to try to disagree you might want to talk to Kenny Bernstein first.







    "We mock, what we dont understand"

    :Dou:
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    it's nice to see someone to concisely pigeonhole themselves.




    Your oiling systems are also a disaster.


    they can use some help. but we can still push enough pressure to blow the filter clean off ( >100lbs ) by shimming the pressure relief spring.

    isn't Rod running +1000hp on the stock pump and oiling system? somebody back me up on that.

    i haven't met anybody circle track racing who knows what they're doing that doesn't also 'help' out the oiling system on the SBC.
     
  4. chryco63

    chryco63 14's or bust!

    Dude, you need to check out the Small Block forum here, and the recent turbo frenzy that is happening on the west coast. Check out Sean Gaskin's recent 398hp budget build-up. If not converted, you will at least be impressed.

    Sure, the SBC can make some power. I've had my hand in building two for circle track a few years ago. But, with comparable amounts of money, I'm convinced that a SBB can make just as much streetable torque as an SBC, with the bonus of being lighter in weight. Plus, for our friend's Regal, the swap will be cheaper with the SBB.
     
  5. CantBeataChevy

    CantBeataChevy Buick admirer,Chevy owner

    Thanks for making the majority of my points guys' Listen, with enough money, you make make a coffee table fast. But most people are made of money, and have to make do with what they have. SBC/BBC reliability has been proven to be uncanny - it cannot be denied.

    I just think there may be a little anti0Chevy bias here at times, a little bit of inferitority complex perhaps?

    Not basjing Buicks at all, happen to like them a whole lot and appreciate what they have done for the muscle car era - that's why I'm here :beer
     
  6. v8regalowner

    v8regalowner Silver level contributor

    hey at least hes not trying to put a 351w ford motor in it
     
  7. bob k. mando

    bob k. mando Guest

    Thanks for making the majority of my points

    what, acknowledging that high power Buicks are more expensive to build? we were telling him that before you ever showed up. and that is ONE, count em up, ONE point for you.

    everything else, you're ignorant of.

    you know how Dart was putting out 'Buick' heads for the SBC in the 80's? it was the trick shiznat for racing.

    you know what that was? it was a head that had the combustion chamber and ports modeled after a Buick 231v6 / SBB.

    you know why they did that? because the Chevy design sucked. the modern Vortec heads are better than the Buick design but, good God, i'd hope after 30 years and the advent of CAD design and computer airflow modeling they would be able too.




    Listen, with enough money, you make make a coffee table fast.

    read chryco's post. you know, the one right above yours. it would help if you even bothered to read what was being said in the thread.

    even better, my old man terrorized Enduro races all across the SE with the SBB 350 in the 80s and 90s. he lapped Red Farmer at Opp, Alabama. he smoked Earnhardt Jr at Concord, North Carolina. he did that with a slightly bigger cam and a decked block. that's it.

    you want low buck, streetable power with nothing more than stock parts and some grinding in the machine shop? it's hard to better the Buick package.

    you want to go racing? yeah, that'll get expensive. see my previous post where i pointed out the 50 years and 100s of millions of dollars in 'free' ( non-GM corp ) R&D funding for your SBC.

    give the SBB half of that and see what it can do.



    a little anti0Chevy bias here at times, a little bit of inferitority complex perhaps?


    from a guy with a avatar name of "CantBeataChevy" who comes on here trying to tell us that Buick engines suck. :Dou:

    explain why, if SBC's are so damn great, Chevrolet had to go crying to corporate to make Buick stop producing the GN in the 80's? that's not the first time Chevy went crying to corp about performance Buicks either.

    y'all aren't afraid of a puny little 231ci motor, are ya?




    at least hes not trying to put a 351w ford motor in it

    the only motor my father respects more than a Buick is a 351 Cleveland.

    but that wouldn't be for street use. you have to wind them too tight to get up into the torque band to be much good driving around town.

    he's been thinking about the Frank Kimmel enduro up at Kentucky and he would prefer to take a 351C over a 400 SBC. but we don't have a car built or access to a properly prepped 351C so it's pretty much a pipe dream for this year.



    BBC reliability has been proven to be uncanny

    i'd put a 500ci Caddy up against a 454 BBC any day.

    but all the R&D funding, expense and aftermarket performance parts availability problems that the Buick has goes double for the Caddy. the great benefit of the Caddy is that it is a strong block.

    oh, and just an FYI? the 500 Caddy only weighs in at ~650lbs. the BBC is a fat pig.
     
  8. bob k. mando

    bob k. mando Guest

    http://www.v8buick.com/showthread.php?t=147961

    this is the very first single plane intake ever produced for a SBB. and we're still running the factory iron heads. it just went on the dyno this week.

    you should be afraid.

    rpm was held down on those dyno runs because the combo was still on the stock rods.

    you should be very afraid.

    TA has aluminum heads and a SP cast alum intake coming to us.

    you should be very, very afraid.

    :3gears:
     
  9. Vern

    Vern Well-Known Member

    How about the fact that with a sbb he can just bolt up all his accessories. If he switches to sbc he also needs brakets to mount his power steering, altenator, AC etc.

    Oh yea I love both my GN & my 509ci Cad and actually I am so sick of chevy blind idiots putting SBCs in everything even when they are far from the best or even cheapest choice that I actually would rather see a Ford put in it.
     
    Last edited: Feb 20, 2008

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