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Sounds to me like it was just a mouth battle to see who's better.Where does it state you have to be equal in the car department?? I have been busting Bethiepoo's chops about kicking her Wagon's tail.I guess it will be a bigger buck motor against my do it at home deal.If I win,I win and get bragging rights...If I lose... Boy, I don't think I will ever live that down...But I don't say it has to be a fair fight.I think you are missing the point here.If his Skylark is stock and he thinks its fast, then he will find out fast enough if his mouth is faster than his car.I guess if he has a stock 350 and its lucky to run 15's then he should learn to keep quiet and not take a knife to a gun fight.What you are saying is if I tell John Force I can whoop him in his funny car with my 455 Skylark then I had better know what I'm preaching about or face getting whooped.I could say I should have this cam or this gear but the fact is I don't.I still think he will get smacked down by the SHO especially if his car is stock..
Pat

 

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Well Pat, it doesn't say anywhere in the law of the land that a car must be equal to the other car it's racing, but what im really trying to say is, that if you were in a corvette(pick any corvette you'd like, from any time period and throw it at me) and you had a guy come up to you that owned a lamborghini, would you want to race him? That's comparable to this situation. I can guarantee the guy in the lambo could give the vette 15 car lengths and zoom past him at 220 easily, and that wouldn't be fair, nor fun, would it? If I was racing against a lambo, I think before I would lose, I would just back out of the race...I don't run my mouth, I just go on to main street or some street in town and almost automatically, I can find a race in the snap of a finger. Everytime I would go out in my '76(yes, it had the little 105 HP v6, woopteedo eh?) I would always bring 2 races home to the dinner table. Wether it be cruising or just going to hy-vee and back! It isn't even about who's car is faster or not, it's really about the driver...some people are scared to go over 60 on main street, but that's how I have won 3/4 of all my races, is by being a gutsy driver, although also by being aware of your surroundings, like if there is cars or heavy traffic or whatever the case may be, then don't race over 60 on main st unless you know how to swerve good(I do :grin, but even then, it's very unsafe to do it; most of the times when I have done over 60 on main is when it was later at night(like 10 or later at night) when heavy traffic ain't so heavy, but in any case, it still takes a lot of guts. A good friend of mine has a police detector that I borrow in times of need gives me alot of security to back me up in my races... :grin: If you are a gutsy enough driver, you can win just about any time, no matter what you drive...Most every car I have ever raced against would clean my clock w/ the car I have, but most of the driver's didn't have enough balls to keep the pedal to the floor. In my opinion, that's what it takes. A gutsy driver, and 4 wheels w/ a motor. :Smarty: Try it sometime if you haven't already, even if your car has a 19 second timeslip, you can still defeat many opponents by out-gutting them! p

 

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Hell with what any1 says! lol just go and run it and see what happens. u might be a better driver than your friend. just adjust your timing to where it runs best, maybe lean the carb and shift that mother by hand. i give people all kinds of hell in my 71 skylark 4 door. which is now getting hooker headers , dual 3 inch exhaust and flowmaster 40's... oh can i put some nos stickers on it and say that it gives me an extra 9000hp?? :Brow:

 

yah i think everyone is getting this out of perspective,the original question was do we think his skylark can beat his sho.who the hell cares if its equal,its not suppose to be,this guy has his car,the other guy has his car,they both think they can kick each other butts.so settle it and one of you be prepared to get your a-- beat.thats all there is too it.we probably will never even find out who really won.if it was me i would race him fare or not.my 2 cents.Ray
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guess what

sorry i didnt mention it but my car does have an aluminum intake manifold 650 cfm demon carb, dual 3 inch flowmaster 40s and fusion 295s for grip.

he jumped the gun at the beginning of the race but my second gear destroyed him along with the rest. buy the end of the race i was almost 4 car lengths ahead of him. I one my 500$$$ and he shut the hell up.

thanks for the input everyone

 

Cool, awesome kill! Bet that'll teach him! :3gears: :TU:

 

Howabout the 06 with the LS7? 427 CI, 505 HP and 3100 pounds... that would be close. As a matter of fact, if you look up 1/4 times in the exotic cars most are fairly slow in the 1/4 for their power and cost. most barely dip into the 11s. those cars are geared/designed for open road racing, which consequencely isn't the best for off the line performance. I'd still drive on though.

 

That would be a very good exception, it would compare pretty good w/ some lambos. I will have to check in to the 1/4th mile times, but like you said, they are more for open road racing instead of being setup for drag racing! :TU:

 

ive got some questions.... if it comes from the factory that way, how is it a modified car? and since WHEN is technology (DOHC) a modification from the factory?! try the guy double or nothing from a 60mph roll... and have fun trying to keep up with him, dohc is VERY good for top end. If you think about it, no race is fair, you just have to run whatcha brung and hope you brung enough!

congrats on the kill, now use that $500 and get a bigger carb! your car needs atleast 700cfm stock!

-Josh

 

you put up $500 on this?

da-ay-um. now THAT'S having confidence in your machine, for the both of ya's.

 

[QUOTE='71buickg.s.]ive got some questions.... if it comes from the factory that way, how is it a modified car? and since WHEN is technology (DOHC) a modification from the factory?! try the guy double or nothing from a 60mph roll... and have fun trying to keep up with him, dohc is VERY good for top end. If you think about it, no race is fair, you just have to run whatcha brung and hope you brung enough!

congrats on the kill, now use that $500 and get a bigger carb! your car needs atleast 700cfm stock!

-Josh[/QUOTE]

So, what your saying is, no car from the factory is modified then, is that what you are saying? Do you think buick put DOHC/Cold air-intake/and EFI on most of their cars from the factory in the '70s? I know a 1970 buick skylark didn't come w/ those, and not all cars are that way today. A 2003 ford mustang doesn't come w/ DOHC(call it technology if you want). Sure, the SHO was a performance car, and was made a performance car right from the factory, but you can't say that they just put a motor together and put it in a car and called it done...like how most '70 skylarks were made(and '76 buick centurys p )... o No: Even muscle cars are not factory modified(unless you think a 4 barrel carb-which was basically standard on all cars/and dual exhaust are mods, LMAO), didn't come w/ cold air intakes and DOHC. Stock and FACTORY MODIFIED are too totally different terms. There was a such thing as FI back in the muscle car era...but it seems none of them used it! :laugh: ou:

 

Sorry to intrude and I sure hope I don't step on anyone's toes but here
s about 2 cents more opinion.

First off. Good kill. Sounds like the guy didn't have a clue.

Second: Yes there were dual overhead cam engines in 2003 Mustangs. They've had them since 1996. They are the Cobra models. Basically the top of the Mustang factory food chain. The 2003 was supercharged and rated at 390hp. Ran between 12.80 and 13.20's bone stock depending on driver.

Also on the whole dohc vs pushrod vs 4 barrel argument. It
s called technology. Lots of cars have it. Even lowly Cavaliers have a dohc engine option. If the factory installed it it is stock. The days of ordering custom FACTORY modifieds are over. Emissions regs see to that. The only modified factory cars out there now are done by tuning companies like Lingenfelter, Saleen, Berger etc.
Did you know that every powertrain combo installed in every new vehicle has to be emissions certified in that vehicle. That costs the manufacturers something like $250,000 a pop just to do. IF a car model has 4 engine options that means the company spent 1 milllion dollars to make sure the EPA gives it emissions certification.
Therefore, Say you wanted a new 2006 Corvette but you were crazy enough to want to put a Duramax diesel in it. ou: The factory could not do it as that engine hasn't been certified for that vehicle. Aside form the fact that they'd probably think the order request ws a joke, the feds would nail their butts to the wall faster than a tube frame GS hits the 60 foot clocks.

 

yes, muscle cars are factory modified.... For starters, cold ari was an option on almost every muscle car I can think of. dual exhaust, HP 4 barrels,(read: double pumper holleys) solid cams, posi rear ends with 3.42s, 3.73s, 4.11, 4.72s were even an option on ram air GTOs, quick ratio, short throw 4 speeds.... huge sway bars 4 wheel disc brakes. these would be facotry modified options... ou: the list goes on and on man. your talking factory modified cars- (a term I think you made up to be honest) How about the Stage one and two package? LS6 Chevelles? the B4B intake which was availble at the parts counter? The 4 barrel was NOT standard on any car nor was dual exhaust. How could you identify these parts as non-performance? its like you refuse to admit the SHO cars are fast, and then instead of admiting that they are fast, you complain that its not fair since its a DOHC EFI motor... Also, a factory modified car..... IS STOCK. what exactly do you have agaisnt DOHC motors? believe it or not, OHC motors have been around for 50 plus years, hell Buick even designed a SOHC 455 that was never put into production. I really fail to see where your going here man...
Muscle cars are factory modified cars... my god :error:

 

Ok...you're right, and I am wrong. I admit it. Muscle cars are factory modified cars, I guess I had no clue of what I was talking about. Excuse me for my stupidity and lack of intelligence when it comes to cars. Maybe I should spend hours upon hours a day to learn more about cars! ou: You have good opinions and an absolutely stunning knowledge on cars! :eek2: You compare a DOHC engine to a normal engine, and basically, you all sound like you are worshiping it. You will never convince me that a SHO is fast off the showroom floor. My view of a fast car and everyone else's view of a fast car seem pretty different. IN MY OPINION, IF A CAR RUNS 13'S OFF THE SHOWROOM FLOOR, IT'S PRETTY FAST. IF NOT, THEN I(DID I MENTION I?)DO NOT CONSIDER IT FAST. EVEN 13 SECOND CAR ISN'T "FAST" NECESSARILY, BUT GOOD FOR STOCK(take the '87 GN for example, or the '70 stage 1). I just get tired of seeing people all the time act like new cars are the best at everything. What do I have against DOHC engines? Nothing, I just get tired of hearing everyone brag on them. I don't brag about how a V8 is better than a V6, or how a muscle car can be faster than a sports car, I state my opinions, I try to explain my view and try to "test" my knowledge to see if it is right(I guess I have a lot of learning to do yet, eh?), and if it isn't, I don't get pissed off about it. And Joe, I am not trying to start an argument of fight w/ you. Obviously, you know a whole lot more than I do and you showed me that I need to make sure I know about something before I type. Bottom line for me is, I don't care if a ford crapus sho can beat a certain car, I was trying to support the guy who started the thread w/ a little bit of "base" knowledge of what his car had stock, and since it wasn't stock, obviously he wasn't going to lose even w/ the few mods he had, and then the flames started o No: . And another thing, you won't catch me owning a car that's above the year 1988(there are a few exceptions, such as the later model rivs and regal GS's), why, you may ask? Simple. (and this is my opinion.) They suck. Not trying to bring down anyones car or start a war here, but in my opinion...yuck. Name one advantage A 1970 skylark has in the drivetrain over the SHO, besides being rear wheel drive! I can name many other advantages the '70 skylark has over the SHO, but I won't mention them because I will probably get flamed. Sorry for the long rant, hope I didn't/or don't offend anyone.

 

well dude I'm not trying to fight with anyone, the fact of the matter is your biased beyond a reasonable amount. A SHO is fast, plain and simple. yeah its a Taurus, but its a blast to drive. a 13 second car is fast enough to beat 95% of the cars on the road. The peak of automotive technology wasn't 1970 either pal. fact of the matter it is quite amazing how those little cars perform today, good power with good milage on puke gas. Its hard to argue with those results. If only that type of technology went into the Big blocks back then...

 

I do agree. :TU: That's the glory of having an old(er) car today, you can take a bigblock car from way back when and with all of the aftermarket stuff that is available for them now, you can really improve them greatly. Even the aftermarket for Buick is pretty nice, A lot of vendors and a great availability of parts for performance. Plenty of good examples right on this board, and to name one would be the guy that has the Buick 350 that made about 1,000(+) horsepower. A lot of money/time and research went into that project but in the end it showed what the potential is for these old(er) cars. I have a fewgood reasons to be biased against new(er) cars, but that's offtopic. :TU:

 

Why are you biased against cars from 88-90's for? I dont like brand new cars, but cars from the 90's are not that bad

 

Good kill! :TU:

Just for fun, offer to run him again - only this time, each of you has 3 passengers and 150 lbs of luggage each.

 

I don't like the looks of the cars, I don't like to be like everyone else, and I don't like cars said to be made in the u.s. when they have a ton of parts made from some where else to hell and gone. I am not saying that they are bad cars, but I am very biased against them-yes. Some new(er) cars are nice, but do I want one? No. There are a few exceptions, perhaps a 90's riviera would be something I would want to own, but I guess it's because I like Buick better than any other brand name as well, and buick hasn't made a good car(in my opinion) since they discontinued the rivs/and the regals(the lacrosse is the replacement for the regals/century's :boring: ). :Smarty: o No:

 

The only newer buicks I would own would be Regal GS, and Riveras. I also don't like all the computers in the cars, I would be happy with power windows/locks and a points system.