After tons of time searching, I've just about decided on going with a Kore3 c5/c6 disc brake kit for my car. The only problem is i've found out that my 17 inch Torq Thrust M wheels won't clear these brakes without a spacer. It looks like i need to go to a different style wheel or a larger (18 inch) wheel/style. I really like the way these wheels look on the car, and don't really want to change them. Does anybody out there know of a wheel similar to what I have that will clear these brakes? They have a template to test fitment, but it doesn't do me much good since I don't have access to any other wheels.
The biggest problem with that swap is spoke clearance since the caliper sticks out further than the wheel mounting surface. Have you checked these boards out? http://www.pro-touring.com/forum.php http://www.lateral-g.net/forums/ Lots of info on doing the C5/C6 swap on older muscle cars. Also, if you call Tobin at Kore3 he may be able to help with wheels that he knows will clear. I am doing a similar swap on my 65GS but I am going with the 98+ F-body brakes to save some bucks. I figure going from manual drum brakes to power disks should be enough of an improvement that I won't mind not having the C5/C6 stuff. Josh
I've looked on both protouring and teamchevelle, and nobody seems to have much of an idea on what wheel will fit these brakes. It seems to be pretty hit or miss. Tobin at kore3 recommended a 3 piece billet wheel, but the wheels alone would be double or triple the cost of the brake kit. What info do you have on the F body swap? I couldn't ever find a good source for the brackets and hubs for it. I've looked into wilwoods, but I'd rather be able to buy rotors and pads off the shelf than have to worry about ordering straight from them.
If you want a cheaper setup I have the parts for running the 1LE Camaro brakes on an older car. Just need to figure out which spindles you need for your application. All the parts are oem except the bearings and dust caps, but some of the parts need to be cleaned up a bit. http://newenglandbuicks.activeboard.com/t46739201/12-brake-parts/?page=1#lastPostAnchor The question is which spindles are available for your car that use the set3 and set6 bearings.
did you actuall install the disc kit for the rear? I always thought his kits only worked with c-clip axles
I haven't bought the kits yet (I always way over research everything before i buy), but I emailed them about my BOP 10 bolt and they said they had a kit for the bolt in axles that wasn't listed on the website. He said the pricing was roughly the same for the chevy kits and the ford 9 inch kits. Isn't the 1le style from the earlier fourth gen camaros? If it's what I'm thinking it is, i'm not sure if it would deliver the performance I'm after. I know the brakes on my 96 z28 leave a lot to be desired, and they get overtaxed pretty quickly in a car that heavy. I know they upgraded the brakes on the later fourth gens (98 on), but i'm not sure on the specifics of all of it.
Basically the 1le brakes are the brakes from the B-bodies with a 4-3/4 bolt pattern and the abs ring removed. They're pretty much the stock brakes for the 99+ F-bodies in regards to diameter and thickness. The 1le package was the easiest way to go to a 12" rotor on a GM without having to use custom parts and pieces and they clear many of the GM 15" rims. http://www.nastyz28.com/forum/showthread.php?t=182800 On a side note, I had planned on going with the kore vette brakes on my B-body just to get even more stopping power since it was weighing in at 4k pounds and was being driven pretty hard at points. Never got the cash to get the parts though since it required the enclosed hub assembly and at least the Impala 17" rims to work.
Thanks for the tech info. I'm not sure if I want to swap out to B body spindles or not. That's part of why i liked the c5 kit since it didn't require any spindle modifications. Who knew finding the right brakes would be so hard.
I'll add what I can to the thread, Ive done the C5 brake swap on my El Camino, brackets and hoses were from KORE 3, hubs were machined down drum hubs I had in inventory, calipers and abutements were an ebay find and the rotors I got from a corvette forum. For wheels I went with C6 5 spokes, not everyones cup of tea, but I've got 600 in a set of 18's in the front and 19's in the back. Love the performance of the system. With the wilwoods in the back and C5's in the front it stops great. as far as camaro brakes, a really popular option is using LS1 brakes. the fronts are 12 inches and the caliper is similiar to a corvette caliper (they can be interchanged) but the ls1 caliper doesn't say corvette and the corvette calipers are a little stronger. as for brackets contact Rich Hoag, "Rich Hoag is selling caliper brackets for the 98-02 ls1 camaro firebirds they fit 67-69 Camaro, 64-72 Chevelle, 68-74 Nova. Price is $60 plus shipping. contact him at: rwhoag.camaro1@verizon.net" you'd have to machine down a drum hub as well
Would the billet hub from kore3 work with his ls1 brackets? I've never had much luck with the machine shops around here.
Yeah I would think they would work but I never mocked up the ls1 set i have, I decided to change to vette stuff I actually used an angle grinder to do mine
The C5 kit will fit behind 94-96 Impala SS 17" wheels with some very minor shaving of the back of the spokes. Never heard of any other 17" wheel fitting those brakes though. Heres a step by step install with great pics. Not an A-body but same basic setup. http://www.impalassforum.com/vBulletin/showthread.php?t=229348&highlight=kore+brake Here's pics of different kits running behind the 17" rims so that you can see the fit of a few different brands. http://www.impalassforum.com/vBulletin/showthread.php?t=233642&highlight=kore+brake
Check Brembo or Wilwood. Their brakes should clear your Torq Thrust M wheels. What do you have for back spacing with these now?
Here's something I found regarding the c5 brakes. This isn't my info, just what I found on a Camaro site. This kit requires a minimum of a 17 wheel for clearance. All 1996 and newer 17 wheels will fit correctly with this kit. If you are running a different wheel set up please research fitment before purchasing. From our research we have found the following wheels will NOT clear with the conversion kit, they may clear with the correct wheel spacers: 1. Enkei Win- 17 x 9.5 2. 93-94 SLP Firehawk wheel- 17 x 9 3. Borbet Type T- 17 x 9.5 4. Forgeline RS Reverse Rim 5. Torque Thrust II http://www.umiperformance.com/catalo...roducts_id=160 <!-- / message --><!-- sig -->
Thanks guys, thats why I love this site. I've looked at wilwoods and found some that will fit what I have, but I just hate having to order all of my parts (rotors, pads, etc) from wilwood. I think brembos are going to break the bank, and then I still have the same issue as the wilwoods. I wouldn't mind going to an 18 inch rim and selling what I have, I've just read so many conflicting stories about what will and wont fit. I've seen a bunch of posts over on teamchevelle with people using these, and a lot of those guys are using the more expensive 3 piece wheels. I'd love to go that route, but 1800 or more for just the wheels is a bit pricey for me. Ideally i'd stick with the same kind of style I have (Boss 338, MB old school, or the American racing) if I could be sure they would fit.
I can't remember what the backspacing is on those now. They're just off the shelf 17x8 Torq Thrust M's. They do rub a bit on full lock with the inner fender, so i'd imagine the spacing could be better. I'll have to look through my receipts and get back to you. By the way Korrie, I'm definitely jealous of that collection you've been building up. It's like you've read my mind on which cars I'd buy out of the for sale section.
I must not have taken a better picture, but for my first C5 brake set up I was running 16 in Hopsters. It required some grinding on the caliper and .5 to .75 inches of spacers to get it to clear.
Do you think an 18 inch hopster would have given you the room you need without using the spacers? Did you use billet spacers, hub-centrics, or some kind of adapters to get your clearance?
For my vette wheels I got my adaptors here http://www.ezaccessory.com/Wheel_Adapter_5_Lug_4_75_To_5_Lug_4_75_p/5475-5475c.htm I think with 18in Hopsters you might be alright, mine were 16in and it was tight. I didn't have clearance problems with the caliper face it was where the wheel face met the hoop (if that makes any sense) but with 2 more inches in diameter you might be alright. I never put many miles on that setup, but I just used spacers I got through summit they were cheap but it was mostly just trying to prove it worked. It did work I just didn't like how it sapced the front wheels out
