I already bought my heads for the next decade, so I've no interest in buying the EB heads (or any other for that matter). But there may be an interest by people not wanting to or able to spend more cash or use up their credit card limit: Home porting would be a lot easier with the softer aluminum, or a head porter would spend less hours on aluminum and therefore charge less. No one will be sure what the bang-for-the-buck will be until they come out and someone jacks with 'em for a while. (But I agree that just playing odds, they prolly won't flow much better than stock stage 1's before porting). They'll stand or fall on their own merits. This thread is now LOCKED (yeah, right).
old ladys First off I have never heard so much bitching about things like people in this club. Half of you have the smarts to keep you OPINION to your self, 25% of you are just like the women in a beauty shop getting there hair done and while they are in there they just talk crap about what they have heard and really havent seen it or heard it directly. The other 25% have some room to talk because they are experts in what they say. But for the 25% WHO MOAN NOBODY SELLS BUICK PARTS,BLAHH BLAHH, BLAHH, ITS BECAUSE PEOPLE TRY TO DO THINGS FOR US AND YOUR BIG MOUTHS DETURE PEOPLE FROM EVEN JOINING OUR QUEST IN THE BUICK COMMUNITY. Being in bussines supplying builder and consumers with kitchens and bath's. I have learned 1 thing. New products bring options for people who couldnt afford what is available currently, and all our eggs arent in one basket. If TA burned to the ground today, recieved his insurance check and decided to cash out then what? There wouldnt be so much complaining because you would make provisions to continue on with what you have to work with and be happy someone has parts for you when you scatter your engine. Secondly ever wonder why buicks arent worth what other makes are? Most knowlegable people who want to seriously race or invest would look right past the buick community unless we have many sources for parts. Dont you get tired of seeing the same buicks in the maybe 4 magazines a year? Every month something new in trick parts for chevy's,mopars,ect... Keep BITCHING and see where it gets you in the future.... MY THOUGHTS and MY name is posted.......If you agree send a thumbs up.
double edged sword guys . buy the edelbrock heads and give 'em the old college try ( and stab TA in the back so to speak ) - or don't buy the heads etc from edelbrock and support TA and others the way we should ( and risk the marketing guys / beancounters at edelbrock , and others , not seeing a market for buick parts and pulling back . hey - i'm waitin' for a 350 intake ! ) fyi - current issue of GSCA also has small blip on this same subject . del
For what it's worth...... I'd bet 50% (or more) of the "Buick guys" around the globe don't know about TA Performance, V8Buick, GSCA or the BPG. But I bet most of them have heard of Edelbrock and will buy the BBB heads through Summit, Jegs, and the like. In my field of work, I know that sometimes "sales" has alot to do with marketing, and very little to do with the product. (I'm not knocking the EB heads, please don't read that into my statement. How can I knock something that doesn't even exist yet?) My point is that Edelbrock will probably sell alot of BBB heads because of marketing....... that is if Summit or Jegs would actually put them in their catalogs. Anyways....with that said.... why doesn't TA try to get Summit or Jegs to handle their product? o No:
Thanks for the heads up and the offer!! :beer It's good to know there's a Buick guy on the inside :grin:
50% Most people in my area that have a buick buy most of the parts from places for there gs from other local people whome they meet at shows or cruises. Without direction to the few places that do exist , marketing from the big boys always works. Deep pockets get big sales. They will sell lots of parts to people who see them in all the advertisments and show circuits that they follow to promote products. Keep the products coming...
I've been a Buick backer since I started driving ( 1956 ) and have always tried to support the Buick vendor. Edelbrock has never made a part that would fit any of my Buicks ( unless it would interchange with other GM cars) and again My money would be with TA etc. for parts . I see that the new Alum V8 block is underway (study) by TA. This is great news for the Buick people that race.
stuff Hey ramin whats krackin? I am a buick dude but anymore I am down with whatever will get me down the track the fastest and cheapest with someone like me who is just an Airman in the air force who doesnt get paid alot. A small chevy or........mopar cough cough sounds awfully tempting Just because I want to go fast but cant afford having to spend 10k on a motor doesnt mean I dont prefer a buick. I just got to do whats best for my wallet while still supporting a sport I love. on a lighter note I am getting the machine work done right now on a 462 but its a 9 month project ou:
There even was a little article in HotRod magazine about the Edelbrock Buick heads: Click thumbnail :Comp: If I'm going to buy those heads, I will go for Edelbrock. Why ? Because TA never answers e-mails from people from oversea. Maybe they think it's not worth while, so they're not bothered. I've heard this from a lot of European Buick owners. Edelbrock is always very customer friendly, and quick with answering questions about their products :TU: Service sells :Smarty:
Nice article! One thing I find unusual is that these heads are allegedly more street-oriented but they don't have any provision for utilizing an exhaust crossover to warm the intake. Now on the Bulldog heads I've seen, they do use a crossover, but that head is more performance-oriented and maybe shouldn't have it. o No:
Oh............Chris,It's on now!!!!!!!!! You're not going to let him hit you w/ "WHATEVER" are you?????? You never told me you got a Crystal Ball..........Tell me what my car will run this year and I can just save the money to spend on GOLF........... o No:
I just saw a post describing TA's customer service in a very positive manner...Sorry it was a bad experience for you....K-arry on
Easy I read your post and was wondering what the deal was, I've never had problems with TA's customer service so I went on there web site and checked things out and I happen to notice in big letters high lighted in yellow it says, PLEASE NOTE THAT OUR E-MAIL ADDRESS IS ONLY FOR CATALOG REQUEST. TECH QUESTIONS CAN NOT BE PROPERLY ANSWERED VIA E-MAIL.PHONE CONVERSTIONS ARE THE MOST THOROUGH AND ACCURATE WAY TO ANWSER TACH QUESTIONS. Maybe thats why they don't get back to you Chris
It's going to make the parts situation worse. Every time someone wants to make something new after this debacle, the answer will be, "yeah right, they'll be a big seller, just like the heads were....NOT!" FYI the AMC heads have ho-hum ratings too. Seems to be a pattern here with e-brock heads.
Jim, if you wanna be a chebby (powered) guy, that's fine, i just don't think this particular internet board is the place to find your following. By the way, this is V8BUICK.COM ( a v8 Buick, not chebby board). I'm sure Tommy is very popular with you chebby guys, but honestly i've never heard of him, and unless he plans on building Buick engines, i don't plan on ever hearing of him. The big block Buick was an easy choice for me in my little truck. Anyone, and i mean anyone can build a hum-drum chebby motor ( who hasn't?) If you can't (or haven't) built a big block Buick to suit your needs, maybe you should find another engine builder, or tuner. Rod Hedrickson (blown455) has repeated time and time again, "pay attention to the details" and these things will live. "Dart Big M block, Eagle rotating assembly, Diamond pistons, Bowtie Aluminum heads, BDS polished blower manifold, Mert littlefield 671 big bore blower and 2 Mighty Demon carbs...ALL BRAND NEW..." ...................I'm guessing the chebby guys really think this is the "ticket", and it may be, but just not on this BUICK board. Jim, before i spend 10K to build the "pretty" motor you described above, i'll build the BBB that it takes to kick it's ass!! I like to win a race as much as anyone, but not if it's without my BUICK!! We're just gonna have to agree to disagree on that. I'm not a "sell-out" to Buick, and will not do "what ever it takes" to go as fast as i want to. If my old Buick can't do it, then i guess i can't do it. Look around, if you want to be the "fastest" you're gonna spend big bucks, no matter what engine you build. It may be a couple of thousand cheaper to build that "chebby" motor, but wait..........suddenly you're not the fastest anymore, that darn mopar, or ford guy just topped ya!....now what? I'll repeat myself from an earlier post " IT'S A BUICK THING, YOU WOULDN'T UNDERSTAND!!" And above all else, Nothing beats "GOING FAST WITH CLASS"......... :bglasses: Sorry again Buick guys!! Rave on!!
It's about time! As far as the ? about the difference in blocks....Dart, and Merlin don't make blocks for a Buick. Bulldog does!!. It's pretty simple. If you still have trouble understanding that, just try to put your crank, cam, heads, intake, headers, etc.. on ur bowtie block, then you'll understand the difference. I've said before, if you wanna run a chebby motor, that's fine. Just quit your complaining and whining about guys that won't sell out and do the same! Oh yeah, adjust your bifocals a bit, there's a '70 GS Stage 1 4-speed in my signature too. But not that I expect you would care since it DOESN'T have a bowtie in it p When, if ever, you get that Big Block BUICK motor back in your car Jim, the first round's on me :beer
