BPG Nationals

I recently saw a thread on this site that said all cars at the BPG nat's have to be Buick Bodied/Buick Powered. If that is the case, then please cancel my membership to the BPG. I am amazed at the turn around in this aspect. All the hype from all of you at the start of this club was that it didn't matter what car it was or style as long as it is Buick Powered.:af: :af: :af:

 

I have to admit I was very suprised to see the comment about Buick powered "brand-x'rs" not being allowed in also.
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Steve, I also was under the impression that any car had only to be Buick powered, to be able to race. I'm guessing you read the thread where I asked this question of Jim Haas, who is the race director, I believe.

I would suggest emailing Jim W about this situation, as I thought he also had stated at one point that Buick-powered was going to be the only requirement to race.

 

For the club that was supposed to be for everyone, we sure have turned into the GSCA in a hurry! Count me and my wife out. We have worked hard to have her car ready for the Nat's, just to find out we can't even run it.

 

I'm hoping/assuming there's been a misunderstanding.
I also thought the only requirement is that they are Buick powered.

Besides... what better "slap in the face" is there than to build a Buick powered chevy or ford... or even mopar! p :laugh:

 

Here's a great deal of discussion on this topic: http://www.bpgforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=44&highlight=buick+powered

I think we need to ask the board members about the decision, and clarify it.

 

I'd like to make a couple of suggestions. I think we should include Buick powered non-Buicks as well as other engined Buicks. I just believe they should have their own class. A class just for all those hybrid vehicles out there that are either Buick powered or Buick bodied or have no real body at all, such as Steve's T-Bucket or even a Buick powered dragster. John Schmidt had a great suggestion last year that I just came across in re-reading the BPG thread on this subject. He suggested the class for the hybrids should be called "Something Buick". I LOVE IT!! :TU: Jim Haas...What do you think about that?

 

Why wouldn't the T-bucket be allowed to run in a bracket class?It is at every other Buick event including the GSCA Nationals. We didn't build it to be in a specialty class. It was built as a bracket car. There are no Ford insignias anywhere on the car. It has a
Buick emblem on the back as well as on the radiator shell. It has a Ford rear-end but so do a lot of full bodied race Buicks. Besides, how many of you are running 350 Buick motors? Just me and Sonny Seal, right. This is such a disappointment to me. I don't want to race a full bodied car. I love the thrill of my little car. It would make so much more sense if she was forbidden in the shows. That I could understand. To everyone who is racing a Buick powered Buick bodied car: better take your Chevy 12 bolts out...and your Chevy rods in your strokers. It's all Buick or nothing!

Leanne Gray

 

The Something Buick class would be a bracket class.

 

would this include the grand prix and such that are buick 3800 series 2 powered?

 

yes.

 

The whole thing just ruined my summer, I took vacation to be there, been working my A$$ off to have the cars ready and now all this is thrown out. The board sure made a turnaround on what this club was supposed to be about. I thought it was it was to promote BUICK powered. If that is true then make it PURE Buick, no Chevy parts in motors, no DANA rearends, no Chevy 12 bolts, no FOrd 9". No Chevy 'glides stuffed in Buick cases. No aluminum heads (aftermarket you know -not Buick made), No T/A , Edelbrock or KB intakes. If we are gonna differentiate between Buick powered/ Buick bodied then do it. Don't go halfway to suit the Big Guys needs. What a bunch of hypocracy. Besides that, a specialty class for who? My wifes T and maybe a dragster?
Jim's post says the only non-Buick bodied car will be the TTA.

Steve

 

woah man.. chill.. they just said that you'd be able to race under this "Something buick" bracket class... thats what you wanted right? if this goes through then you can expect some fun there.. trust me... i'm gonna see about getting a few very quick Grand Prix GTP's to join... 12 second grand prix's and i know atleast 1 11 second Regal GS thats going to be there... Dr. Speed where are you!?!? the Opel would be in this category too right? i'd say you have some competition and some good racing to have fun with...

there's a lot of confusion as to whats really going on right now.. but i'm sure they'll accommodate you if enough "something buick" cars show up to make it worthwhile.. i'm sure that won't be a big deal at all either... seriously... just kinda wait it out.. ask questions and then we can all work it out and make it better for everyone...

 

Its stems from the fact that if you have a BUICK race and a NON BUICK car WINS even with a buick motor, and it makes the front cover of the newsletter what do you see????? Thats right a NON BUICK CAR WINS RACE!!! Headlines!!! Any buick car can race in S16 at the GS NAtS as long as its a buick body other than that you are in the bracket classes Not much diffiernt than the BPG it dont sound like........

 

Too late to chill. Why would I want to run it in a Specialty class? Bracket racing is just that - bracket racing. If a guy in a GS can't cut a light like my wife and run the number, then tough luck - you lose! There should be NO difference in the bracket classes. Just because it isn't a Buick body. It was built as a Buick powered car, will be that way til it hits the junk yard. Bracket classes are for any car, broken down by ET's. How is it any different for these other guys to run half of their car with Chevy and Ford and Mopar parts and still be a Buick powered/Buick bodied car. We just want the chance to run the race with anyone and not be lumped into some specialty class. Why would they even make a difference between the Regal GS's and the Grand Prix's. They were factory built with BUICK motors.

 

Steve... It looks like the jury is still out on this one. I hate to see you getting worked up about ONE post. I haven't seen anything official yet. :TU:

But specifically talking about YOUR car.... What is the original body?
Is it a custom dragster frame/body?

I ask because.... what if someone built a Buick powered rail? It's not a ford or chevy... but not "technically" a Buick either. But I would consider it ALL Buick by default, since it's nothing else.

But along those same lines..... I wouldn't think a 7 second Buick rail should be bracket racing with 11 second GS's either. it belongs in the Q16 or a rail class or something??

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Have the classes been established yet?
I've seen some discussion, but nothing formally announced yet.

 

whoa, slow down here..

Steve, before you go on a rant, it would seem proper to directly deal with me on this. I think you are going way, w_a_y overboard on your reaction.

Calm down...

Exactly what class did you feel your car was a fit to participate??? you have ranted herein, and never stated that? I know for a fact that the GSCA did NOT let a certain Buick powered roadster from the midwest participate, and that same owner had a 455 in an S10 as well...

For the record, I will be confering with Doug Hecker on this, as he is being brought into the mix, to run certain portions of the event. I respect his opinion, and he may very well be the one to make the final decision on this.

Jim

 

this is a good topic.. i just don't want arguments... its something that can be worked on... we have months upon months to establish the actual events taking place... we have 4 days to work with at the event.. its going to be a hell of a lot of fun even during the test & tune ... that's all milan was at the centennial... for the most part.. i had a BLAST just watching that.. seriously... man, i don't wanna miss out on your wife whooping some ass in a t-bucket.. i want pictures of that crap Amy at milan won my heart after running some fast times in a 455 powered regal... heh.. just don't get worked up about it... talk to people first.. and if they don't work with you then... THAT is when you have the real opportunity to get mad.. its not a big deal right now... you planned it.. so now work your way into getting what you want, if not really close to it... this is just going to be fun man.. i'm going, i sure as hell won't win... i don't even really plan on racing.. i just wanna go race some cars at the test & tune.. get an idea what my car runs.. and watch the big dogs eat... i'm in this more for the spectator part of it all... i wanna see these wild and crazy cars i got a glimpse of at Milan this past summer.... honestly ... try to resolve the differences instead of getting mad and making a great divide here. we're all in this together, so lets work together steve... this is gonna be fun.. just remember that! if anything, i'll buy you a drink while you're there and you can tell me all you want about that t-bucket because dammit.. i'll listen as long as you'll talk... ask anyone who's talked to me about their car..

 

Buick Fans,

This is an interesting subject to me since I was once one of the odd balls who raced a non-Buick with Buick power. When I was told by the GSCA management that I would NOT be able to run my Buick Powered Poncho in any of the higher profile classes I understood totally. But.... I was able to race in any of the bracket classes. I thought that was very fair!!!!

With this being said.... the BPG management has to decide what they will allow in there classes. I have my personal beliefs but I will ask this.... Do you want attendance or not?? That is the big question.

For those who are going to Norwalk.... rumor has it... there will be a Buick powered dragster in the Q16... This should raise some eyebrows..:Brow:

 

Jim,
You need to go back and read your own post. That is what flamed me. I really thought this club was about BUICK powered. I sat down with Jim Weise and John Schmidt at the onset of this club. We were told that the main reason the club was being formed was to promote BUICK power- not Buick bodied as it has become. I specifically asked about events and was told the same thing. As to class - brackets. Why would you run the program any other way. We are not trying to run the Q16 - just bracket race. If this "Specialty class" is formed, how fair is it to a 15- 16 second Grand Prix to run with a high 10's T? What if your friend with Buick powered dragster is there? Is he going to run with these cars too. My point is that- Bracket racing is just that. It levels the playing field for everyone. But in the same stroke it is not fair to put a 16 second car against a 10 second or even 8 second dragster. Most street car people are there to race, some of them for the very first time. Not fair to put them against a car like that. The T runs Bracket 1 at Norwalk without any objection. I know this isn't Norwalk, but lets get real here. It is a Buick event and my wifes T is Buick powered. I think the idea that only Buick bodied cars should run against each other is absurd. The idea of the club was to promote Buick power - not Buick bodies!