Aluminum Driveshaft?

Discussion in 'Race 400/430/455' started by Clark Porter, Apr 13, 2009.

  1. Clark Porter

    Clark Porter Team Headless Chicken

    We need to replace our driveshaft, and I thought I could save some weight going to aluminum. Anyone using alum. on a race car? What diameter and do you know how much weight you saved? Any other thoughts on the subject are greatly appreciated.
     
  2. Tom Rix

    Tom Rix Well-Known Member

    Clark,

    Strongest and lightest I've found (except for carbon fiber) is a metal matrix shaft from Dynotech out of Michigan. Saved 11# over a chrome-moly Denny's shaft.

    Good luck!
     
  3. Staged70Lark

    Staged70Lark Well-Known Member

    Tom,

    Did you pick up any ET when changing to aluminum?


    Thanks
     
  4. Tom Rix

    Tom Rix Well-Known Member

    John,

    Unfortunately when I made that change I also "tricked" up the transmission so I don't have a good A-B-A test on the driveshaft alone. I am estimating that it was .01-.03 of the .15 I picked up. Quality piece.

    Tom
     
  5. Steve Reynolds

    Steve Reynolds SRE Inc

    Tom,
    Dynotech told me a month or so ago that they don't make the metal matrix drive shaft any longer because of the lack of the material. I still see them advertise them however. I guess that another call is in order. Although with the lack of $$$ these days I guess I'll wait until I can afford one before I place an order.
     
  6. dr

    dr Well-Known Member

    You saved 11 lbs? Nice lose of rotational inertia. What is the cost and I will add that to the weight table.
     
  7. Clark Porter

    Clark Porter Team Headless Chicken

    Thanks for the replies.
    Tom, what diameter is your shaft (not too personal!)
    Thanks.
     
    Last edited: Apr 13, 2009
  8. d7cook

    d7cook Guest

    Aluminum drive shafts are typically 4" diameter so you may have clearance issues you'll need to check for.
     
  9. Rob Ross

    Rob Ross Well-Known Member

    Shaftmaster's also builds a nice aluminum shaft, they are in MI. I had one built for my father in law's car for $265 with a slip yoke and 1350 u joints, off the top of my head, it is 3.5" in diameter with a critical speed around 176 mph and (I think) a max torque of 5,000 foot pounds. Keep in mind, 600 ft*lbs engine, 2.48 first gear, 2.5:1 for the torque converter is less than 3800 ft*lbs. Should hold plenty of power. Remember, you can multiply torque, but not hp. www.shaftmasters.com or 313.383.6347 HTH
     
  10. gymracer01

    gymracer01 Well-Known Member

    I want an aluminum shaft very bad, but when I setup my car, I didn't leave enough room for anytthing over 3" max and maybe not that. A friend built me a stout shaft, but it is heavy. If anyone knows of a small diameter aluminum shaft, let me know.
    Jim Netherland
     
  11. Rob Ross

    Rob Ross Well-Known Member

    Shaftmasters makes aluminum shafts in 3" diameter. Call them and see what the performance specs are. You might have to go with more wall thickness at 3" vs. 3.5" depending on the application. Good luck.
     
  12. Jim Weise

    Jim Weise EFI/DIS 482

    This is the shaft in George's car..

    765ft lbs torque, trans brake, big slicks, 3000 lbs.. never a problem.

    Not cheap, but you get what you pay for.. His MW 9" components, and drive shaft were money well spent.. never a problem.

    http://www.markwilliams.com/detail.aspx?ID=336


    Jw
     
  13. dr

    dr Well-Known Member

    Any weight savings info. for the table?
     
  14. Clark Porter

    Clark Porter Team Headless Chicken

    thanks again for the responses. We may finally get the racecar out this weekend.
     
  15. paul c

    paul c Well-Known Member

    i broke a driveshaft at 120 mph on the highway from a local supplier, that was an expensive fix. none the less i can attest i will never use a local shop again for that. i saw their balancer after i had an issue with the second one which vibrated like crazy and it was old and the equivilent to a bubble balancer for tires. i have a denny's now and no issues.
     
  16. dr

    dr Well-Known Member

    Does any one have a length of for the shaft for a typical A body or GS.
    I called Mark Williams today if I give him a length he can give me a weight savings.
     
  17. Rob Ross

    Rob Ross Well-Known Member

    TH400 and 8.5" rear axle = 54.2", and a 8.2 is 55.1". That's from memory, if I'm wrong, it's very close to that. HTH
     
  18. 70sLark

    70sLark Well-Known Member

    Wow that sounds cheap or in my ball park.
    I need to get one rebuilt but for that price all new sounds good too.
     
  19. Steve Reynolds

    Steve Reynolds SRE Inc

    FYI

    As of today (4-16-09) Dynotech told me that they can no longer obtain the MMC material. I believe they were using Alcoa sourced material.

    Mark Williams however has re-sourced the MMC material and offers the driveshafts in 3.5" or 4". Prices are $682 for the 3.5" and $760 for the 4". The yoke for a Turbo 400 is an additional $204.

    Just thought you may want to know this.

    Thanks, Steve
     
  20. dr

    dr Well-Known Member

    Thanks Bob I will give them a call.
     

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