71 stage 1 $47500 in OK

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  1. Buickcub

    Buickcub Well-Known Member

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  2. gsconv

    gsconv BPG# 1603

    Orange, obo.....
     
  3. wovenweb

    wovenweb Platinum Level Contributor

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  4. Mike Sobotka

    Mike Sobotka Founders Club Member

    Sotheby's says light copper in color. WTF. Idiots.
     
  5. Dano

    Dano Platinum Level Contributor

    Amazing it has the correct steering wheel.
     
  6. Redmanf1

    Redmanf1 Gold Level Contributor

    Do you think these numbers look correct???? Does not look like a gang stamp


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  7. Stagedcoach71

    Stagedcoach71 Well-Known Member

    Is anyone close enough to take a look at the car? I asked the seller for a copy of the buildsheet and a pic of the trim tag.
     
  8. Stagedcoach71

    Stagedcoach71 Well-Known Member

    opinions of the car quality?
     
  9. Redmanf1

    Redmanf1 Gold Level Contributor

    David, There are a couple post (links) above talking about the car. From what I read back in 2021 No buildsheet.
    Trim tag:


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  10. Stagedcoach71

    Stagedcoach71 Well-Known Member

    Thank you. I did not stay with the thread link above long enough to find the helpful info. Appreciated!

    I did contact the seller who provided these BS pix for all to enjoy :)

    I wonder what the worth is even if it is a nicely done clone. The cost of restoration drove me to sell my long-time project this summer and am shopping for a nice driver to take its place.
     

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  11. Dano

    Dano Platinum Level Contributor

    Is it a Stage 1 clone? That POBF is the proof that's needed and invaluable for a '71.
     
  12. Stagedcoach71

    Stagedcoach71 Well-Known Member

    Is that an order form?
     
  13. Dano

    Dano Platinum Level Contributor

    That the build sheet (Production Order Body Final - POBF) and if decoded would prove what the car was orig. Given there's no documentation avail for the '71s (yet anyway) that's one of the orig. docs that'll prove it.
     
  14. Stagedcoach71

    Stagedcoach71 Well-Known Member

    The buildsheet is pretty rough and I don't know where the VIN or engine code should be on the paper.
     
  15. BUQUICK

    BUQUICK I'm your huckleberry.

    Before shelling out anything for the car I would want to pay Duane to decode the entire sheet to verify how the car was born.

    The sheets found on the gas tanks are often for a different car but let's assume this one is indeed correct for this car, it does show a SE radiator which is for a big block car. Of course radiators are easy to swap and should never be used as a way to verify anything about a car.

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  16. 2nd Gen Buick Fan

    2nd Gen Buick Fan Platinum Level Contributor

    Here is a PBOF with the VIN on the bottom right and the Body # top row. (1970 car)
     

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  17. BUQUICK

    BUQUICK I'm your huckleberry.


    I looked through a bunch of the photos I have collected of VINs stamped on Buick engines and while almost all of them were gang stamped, I did found some that were not. So I wouldn't automatically rule this '71 out as not having the original engine until it was inspected in person.

    Here is a '70 model that is original and was not gang stamped:
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  18. Stagedcoach71

    Stagedcoach71 Well-Known Member

    Thanks. I have reached out to Duane.

    Is there any credence to 71 documentation limitations and production inconsistencies? For example, the 71 I just sold had a quirky POP. The trans and axle codes lined up to S1, but the engine code was for a small block. The buyer seemed to expect this as a common strike year goof. (he has restored many other non-71 Buicks)

    I am not trying to reach on a verdict, I just know 71's have always been scrutinized ALOT. :)
     
  19. BUQUICK

    BUQUICK I'm your huckleberry.

    First and foremost is to verify that this sheet is for THIS CAR. I've had my heart broken multiple times when I found a sheet on a tank just to learn that it was for a different car. :(

    For a fee Duane can use some of these boxes to help rule out if this thing is a real Stage 1. Duane knows the '71s really well since he has one and has studied them very closely.

    The part number for the frame will indicate if it was a small block or big block originally, but will not tell if it is a Stage 1. So verifying big block is much easier than verifying Stage 1.
    Frame for a '71 350 coupe is 3992388 CR
    Frame for 455 or Stage 1 coupe is 1237139 BA


    But looking at the old thread shows that it has a numbers matching OW code transmission which is for a '71 Stage 1. The rivet holding the OW tag in place appears to be an original. This is pretty good proof that this one is an original Stage 1.

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  20. Stagedcoach71

    Stagedcoach71 Well-Known Member

    Is it common knowledge where the frame part number is stamped?
     

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