'70 Stage 1 4-sp

Discussion in 'Cars and Parts For Sale Leads' started by Dano, Apr 2, 2021.

  1. Dano

    Dano Platinum Level Contributor

  2. STAGE III

    STAGE III Lost Experimental Block

    If that was a Cheeeeeeeevelle it would be 6 figures
     
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  3. Dano

    Dano Platinum Level Contributor

    What would it be if it was #'s matching?
     
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  4. Stagedone

    Stagedone Well-Known Member

    I actually have alot of info on this one, it is not a numbers matching car yet he is asking the price for if it was. He has had it for sale for well over a year at this price and originally said he would go down to $59,500 if he put some of the more original parts on it like the rearend and transmission. I am EXTREMELY interested in this car as it appears to be a very solid car, but it has had both quarters cut on it. Other than the quarters, I believe it's original steel. It sounds like one heckuva car, just not priced right IMHO.

    The only car that I regret selling is the '70 Stage 1 4-spd I purchased from Fritz (STAGE III) back in '94. I am looking to find another one at a reasonable price.
     
  5. Stagedone

    Stagedone Well-Known Member

    Here are a few questions I asked and his answers. He also thinks the trunk floor has been replaced.

    1) How long have you owned it?
    - Since 2014
    2) What all have you done to it?
    - The drivetrain from the flywheel back is all new (Quicktime BH, RAM Clutch, M22Z Muncie, Dynatec Alum driveshaft w/ 1350 spicers & new Moser 12 bolt), sent the factory shifter to Hurst for a rebuild (they also confirmed it was an original piece), new Fuel Tank / filler pipe, all new GY Polyglass tires & Buick Rallyes, carb rebuild by none other then Fred Catlin (Buick racing legend). All this new stuff has about 200 miles on it.
    3) How old is the body and paint work?
    - Don't know/ recall exactly, The car was restored by the prior owner over a 5 year period before my buying the car.....so am guessing about 2008 / 2009 / 2010 or so?
    4) Has it had quarters put on it or any other sheetmetal replaced?
    - Yes - only thing I was told when I asked was Buick NOS quarters in-box, the owner bought for this car.
    5) As far as the extra parts that you have, Transmission, Rearend, wheels, are they original to the car?
    - Am guessing not. I didn't buy it as a 'numbers car', so I never really cared about 'original to the car'. The prior owner did do his best to use model year correct items so I suspect these are the right year, but not for this VIN car. The car did score 394 / 400 at the 2012 GS Nationals when first shown, so I guess he did a pretty good job.
    a) I know you don't have the original engine or carb or distributor or any other engine parts, right?
    - Correct, this is not an original motor car...those would be much higher priced. But I can say the car itself has been Sloan Museum verified as a legit original 1970 GS Stg-1 factory 4 speed car and that is what I wanted for 30 years!
    6) How is it mechanically, does everything it has work properly?
    - The only thing I have not yet corrected I know needs to be fixed is the driver's side I/P vent...it's stuck open. Other than that, everything works well. The car is very nice to drive with the all new drivetrain and now loves freeway speeds (it had a bad mid-car shake when I bought it - now gone).
     
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  6. 72STAGE1

    72STAGE1 Runnin' with the Devil

    Its a very desirable color and combo, and I believe he’s in the right ballpark, providing its condition is as good in person as the photos make it out to be. Like most, he’s built in a little wiggle room of 10-15%.
    If it was a numbers car I could see asking another $10k easy.
     
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  7. Stage 2 iron

    Stage 2 iron 472 IRON HEAD STAGE 2

    Is this a current board members car ?
     
  8. john.schaefer77

    john.schaefer77 Well-Known Member

    When I look at this car all I can think of Ferris Bueller and the Ferrari!
     
  9. Stagedone

    Stagedone Well-Known Member

    Picture of the body tag.


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  10. Stagedone

    Stagedone Well-Known Member

    I don't know, I know his name is Kevin.
     
  11. Stagedone

    Stagedone Well-Known Member

  12. Stage 2 iron

    Stage 2 iron 472 IRON HEAD STAGE 2

    Looks like it’s well restored, but it is a completely non-numbers matching 70 stage one four- speed. There was a Freshly restored diplomat blue 70 stage one four-speed with factory Replacement block sold for I believe 40 K couple years ago.
     
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  13. Dano

    Dano Platinum Level Contributor

    I think there were some issues w/that car if it's the one I'm thinking of. @Horsman 's old NOM '70 Stage 1 4-sp. just sold for $75k (+ buyer's prem.) & is now for sale for over $100. Sold for $79k (+BP) a few years ago. We've seen 2 NOM '70 GSX's go for $120k (+BP) recently so apparently the quality restored cars will still bring the $. How much more ea. of those would've been if #'s matching, idk.
     
  14. BMS1

    BMS1 Active Member

    Class move by Stagedone/John to share his information on the car even after expressing a strong interest. Great looking car and a 4 speed. John hope it works out for you.
     
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  15. Max Damage

    Max Damage I'm Working on it!

    I am too low budget to go for this, but it looks really good, and seems like it might be worth it if you want to drive it.
     
  16. Stage 2 iron

    Stage 2 iron 472 IRON HEAD STAGE 2

    It’s been for sale on cars online for over a year I think it’s time for it to go to auction.
     
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  17. Dano

    Dano Platinum Level Contributor

    Then it's nice but not that nice.
     
  18. Stage 2 iron

    Stage 2 iron 472 IRON HEAD STAGE 2

    This car in question has zero stage one components left, He can’t even call the rear original, the seafoam green stage one four-speed still retains everything but possibly the original block.
     
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  19. 1972 Stage 1

    1972 Stage 1 Well-Known Member

    I restored the car, and sold it to the current owner. The quarter panels were not NOS, they were solid full quarters that were correctly installed. The floor pans have also been patched. I built it to drive, but also to be nice enough to show. It scored Concours Gold the only time I ever took it to Bowling Green, and we drove the car hard throughout that week to and from the track and to the restaurants we dined at.

    Speaking of it and the Seamist car, here they are at cars and coffee in 2009.

    Neither car had the numbers matching motor, carb, or distributor. The red car was built with a correct M-21 case but with M-22 straight-cut gears. The green car had the original M-21 trans. Both had the correct ON 3.64 posi rears.

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  20. STAGE III

    STAGE III Lost Experimental Block

    Hi John! I am so dense at knowing who people are just by the avatars! Glad yer on here my old friend.
    Yes Sir, I miss that 70 non a/c Stage 4-speed car too. Had 18k in jobber prices and nada for the year long restoration many times till 2am in my friends body shop, but family needed a larger home for the kids but was VERY happy you got it!
    Hope you are doing well and Happy Easter brother
    P.S. Remember the “Wildphat”? NEVER would have got her going again without “that young kid with the Lemans down the street. You are the best : )
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