1967 GS post car find........

Excellent find!

 

tooo bad its in a trailer and not in a barn. Put it in an old barn and add couple of grand to the salesprice for the barn-find....
StarWars incl. nut is there, that alone is serious money.

Patrick

 

Are you buying it?
Patrick

 

I haven’t decided if the Guy is willing to negotiate some, he’s a hard case and way above the estimate here of $10k

 

I think you should pull the trigger!

 

Thing is rare as it is. Full of options etc. It will take thousands still to make it right. 10k is the high end of that I think. Trust me I Love 67's. 67 Buick's look better than all other 67's to me. You have to take the color back to original and put the top back on if you want it all original. That is just for starters. Still haven't got to look at it close close. Is there a title? Super sweet car. I love it.

 

Or clean it up, give it a mechanical freshening (10:1 iron headed, mildly ported and cammed 455) and drive the heck out of it.
Patrick

 

So how rare is this GS considering the year and options it has ?

 

I'll get you some information on the detailed production figures in just a minute. Hang tight, I think you will be surprised.

 

Very rare. All those options. Especially on a coupe.

 

Yes I agree just wanting some numbers maybe before I decide what to do.

Also while doing some reading up on the 1967 is there anyway to confirm if it was born with the 430/ 360 hp motor?

 

ALL '67 GS 400s had the NR code 400 rated at 340 hp. Since this car was built at the Kansas City plant, it will NOT have the VIN stamped on the deck of the engine block like a GS 400 built at Flint.

Only the full-size Buicks and Riviera were available with the 430.

 

Ok thanks, I was reading that on the “ 1967 GS 400” page and it was confusing.

 

This is long but I hope you find it interesting or helpful.

Using the trim tag there are many things that cannot be disputed as being features or options that were factory installed on this car:

• 44607 = ’67 GS 400 post sedan (thin pillar coupe) - 1,014 built in this body style
• 04C = built April 1967, 3rd week
• KAN = Kansas City assembly plant – this plant built 233 of the 1,014 GS 400 sedans
• 198-B = Black bucket seats – 234 of the 1,014 cars had this interior (42 were built at KC plant)
• S-2 = Champaign Mist with black vinyl top
  • S = A fairly common color, 8.5% of all ‘67s were painted this color which makes it the 5th most popular paint color out of the 14 available standard colors.
  • 2 = 312 of the ‘67 GS 400 sedans had a vinyl top and 257 (45 from KC plant) of those were black which makes it the most common by far which is understandable since black was available and recommended with all paint colors.

Accessory codes on the bottom row:

• First group: E = Soft Ray Tinted Glass (all windows) – 313 cars (97 from KC plant)
• X = Power windows – 25 of the GS400 sedans had this option and only 4 were built at the Kansas City assembly plant.
• Second group: E = A/C – fairly common (46% of all 4000-series Buicks (Skylark, SportWagon, & GS) had A/C
• Z = 3-speed automatic transmission – 730 of the 1,014 cars had this transmission
• G = Long console for automatic – 234 cars (50 from KC plant) had this option
• 4F = Outside remote mirror – very common (60% of all 4000-series cars)
• C = Belt reveal moldings – 347 GS 400 sedans (59 from KC plant)
• 5th group, K= Door edge guards – 37% of all A-bodies (all 3000-4000 series) had these

Now there are many other options visible in your photos too:

• AM/FM Radio – 7,239 AM/FM radios installed in ALL ’67 Buick A-bodies which is 3.7% of the cars but there is no breakdown of how many were in the GS 400 sedans.
• Tach – Only 1,873 GS 400s (13.6%) got a tach (335 at KC plant) but I do not have a breakdown by body style (HT, conv, or sedan)
• Rear window defroster – only 4.2% of all ’67 Buick A-bodies had this option but no break down available as to how many were GS 400s or sedans
• Tilt steering wheel – 14.8% of 4000-series cars had this
• Disc Brakes – the car has the correct appearing rally wheels and master cylinder. If you confirm that the wheels have the DG code by the valve stem, and that the master cylinder has casting # ending in 48, and that there is a brass valve mounted under the master cylinder (called a pressure metering valve in the service manual), then I would say it’s all original because it’s all one-year-only stuff. Disc brakes on a ’67 Buick is very rare with only 1,936 (1.8%) of all 4000-series Buicks having them in ’67. The 4000-series includes Skylark, SportWagon, & GS 400s. The 3000-series included the Special, Special Deluxe, GS 340, and California GS and only had 286 cars (0.3%) built with disc brakes. So while we do not have a breakdown on how many of 1,936 4000-series cars built with disc are GS 400 sedans, the records do show that only 167 disc brake cars were built at KC plant. One of my ’67 GS 400s was built there and has disc brakes so that only leaves 166 other cars and it’s safe to assume that very few of them would have been sedans. I can’t prove it but I bet that disc brakes are actually rarer on this car than the power windows.

With only 1,014 built, a ’67 GS 400 sedan can become somewhat unusual or rare when broken down further by individual extra-cost options. Of course if you dig deep enough even common cars like Chevelles or Mustangs can be rare, or even 1 of 1. With the ’67 GS 400s it’s however, more common to see the convertibles and hardtops with lots of options rather than a sedan. An example is the power windows, looking at the production figures for the GS 400s shows that 19.3% of convertibles had them, 9.5% of hardtops got them, but only 2.5% of sedans got the option. Does that make it unusual or rare? Yes. But just how much of a premium does a guy place on power windows? To some guys that might be a big deal and very desirable. To some other guy, maybe not.

One thing to keep in mind is that in the world of ’67 Buicks, rare doesn’t necessarily mean valuable. I agree with the other guys that say that this is an $8-$10k car. Now if it’s your dream car, that you will never sale, then the cost may not matter so just go for it. But otherwise, anything over the $10k is a gamble if you plan to ever resale and hope to recover the investment. Restoring this car makes no financial sense and is an even crazier idea than restoring a ’72 (I’m not knocking ‘72s we have several, but they just don’t bring the money of a ‘70). If someone wants to make this ’67 GS 400 sedan road worthy and leave it alone, they might not get too deep $$$$ into it. But a restoration on a car like this is going to have a sizeable sunk cost that won’t likely ever be recovered when it is sold.

There’s no disputing that this particular car has a nice list of options, all on one car from the factory and not added later during a restoration. If the seller is asking for more than $10k, he might get it from someone that loves ‘67s or well-optioned old cars.

I’ve been a ’67 GS 400 sedan fan for decades and good examples are not easy to find. But be advised to not let the excitement and emotion of finding a rare car overrule your common sense about how much to pay for a car. It took me a very long time to find mine since I was looking for a very specific combination (red paint, white interior, automatic, no A/C, and very little rust) and I was willing to overpay for it. I knew I would have a hard time finding another if I passed it up. Same would be true of this car is this is what someone wants to own. But unless this is your dream car think long and hard before you pull the trigger on an overpriced project car.

Thanks for sharing the photos. As a '67 GS fan, I enjoyed seeing them.


Here is the telltale sign of a correct '67 Disc brake set-up. This valve was only used in '67 ('68 looks different)



'67 production figures:

 

Super good info you have given, thanks a ton. I have never been a big 65-67 GS fan but finding this car is hard to pass up either like you said not restore it but make it clean and road worthy would be my main goal or possibly flip/ pass it on to someone who has dreams of this car, time will tell. Now, if it was a 4-speed car I would have already be all in!

Thanks again for everything and I’ll keep posting until I reach a decision......

 

Now that I look at the photos again I can also see the "Speed Alert" speedometer in the interior photo. So really the only notable options it doesn't have are deluxe seat belts (metal buckles), shoulder harness seat belts (ultra rare), power seat (very rare), headrests (very rare). I bet this car also has a clock and trunk light (came together as one option code) since that is fairly common. I bet this car also has a "Positive Traction Differential" under it as well.

If this thing was a 4-speed would be certainly be an easier decision to make. Keep us posted 72STAGE1.

 

incredible information. Thank you. Your take mirrors mine. You would have to buy it to love it for yourself. 67's are not like 70-72's for most people. Me personally I love a 67. Been hunting a 67 Sporty forever. Great find here for sure.

 

Neat car - sounds like the owner has unrealistic expectations though. Make a $7,500 offer, and let him prove he can do better from another prospective buyer because even just to make it road worthy is going to cost a bundle.

 

That’s part of the dilemma, is he’s not trying to sell it.

 

It has sat this long. Let him be. Let it sit.

Is there a title? Odd to me that it was painted and stuffed away. Not talking smack. Just curious