Big Chief heads for big block Buick

And thats it for todays course on on how not to get your point across on V 8 BUICK.

 

"And thats it for todays course on on how not to get your point across on V 8 BUICK." HotRodRivi


For sure!

 

Really? Have you read this entire thread and some of the things getting spouted off? And Im the one "showing how not to get a point across"? (Granted, many have been edited since, but I was following along since the beginning and saw many pre-edited comments...unfortunately its like a train wreck, just cant look away) But I digress. Sorry, I was just trying to inject a pinch of humor while still saying what soooo many on here are thinking. I just thought the absurdity of a little yellow animated smiley face acting out the phrase "beating a dead horse" was kinda funny and shared in the absurdity of where this has gone. In all fairness there are two participants on this thread putting their money where their mouths are and proactively building something, and for that I am impressed and appreciative. But others are just spouting off names and their various theories and personal points of view (right, wrong, or indifferent mind you) but then trying prove their points with name calling, insinuating on others intelligence, and veiled threats about how big their arms are. What a bloody joke. But I guess thats how you are supposed to get your point across in this amazingly "constructive" thread? Ok then, duly noted.

So I apologize, I shouldn't have even gotten involved. I didn't have a horse in the race anyway. (Get it? HORSE? haha, I crack me up) Anyway, it wont happen again. Back to your regularly scheduled YellowBullet banter...

 

Beating a dead horse!....... Now it makes sense.... I thought it was smacking some ass lol

 

Ken, I remember reading back at the beginning of this thread that you were working with Mike on these heads and that Mike was helping you guys with casting etc and I seen in Mikes post asking if you guys were still bringing them to TA to flow test? Is that going to happen still?

 

Don't sweat it dude,I thought it was hilarious!:laugh:

Derek

 

We were AGREEING with ya! I thought your post was hilarious as well.

 

I just reread the first 2 pages of this thread, I didn't see anybody enthused except 1 person. I'm just wondering if Mr. Jordon, If I may call you Mr. Jordon, being you are from the Kenne Bell Camp, and knowing that TA Perf AKA Mike T, was pulling away KB customers with better products and customer service. If you were over here to drain back some money from the Buick community that left KB for TA. Now I know KB camp says they wanted to focus on superchargers for mustangs, and get out from the shadow of TA over them. What else would explain the very quick hot temper you have toward any hint of doubt cast your way. Also, it has to bug the KB camp when Ford uses the TA rear end girdle , along with the KB supercharger.... must feel like TA is literally on KB's rear end.

 

I really doubt that.. I know that Jim Bell and Mike are friends, and Ken worked with Mike to get the solid head castings that they worked with.

I don't think there is any great animosity between the "camps" as you put it.

Some folks are not the best at PR... and this internet thing can get you painted as a bad guy in a hurry. I believe if you knew all the people involved here personally, I think you would find that most of them are calm and rational, good guys to know and hang around with.

 

Then I sincerely apologize for the confusion and am glad you saw the humor in it! Guess I got kinda worked up and pulled the trigger a bit too soon (I was expecting some major flammage...)

 

Thank you, 800+ cubic inches! that is in the ball park of Sonny Leonard engines, and yes I do know what cylinder heads has to be made to make them run. Thank you for doing such engines and cylinder head work. I was trying to tell everyone that wet flow and the visualization of the wet flow is the trick to developing top end heads, not "swirl" ! My mistake. I talk to so some of top guy's in the nation about cylinder head development and some people just don't understand cylinder heads very well. Thank you for working with Kenne-Bell and doing awesome work at that. I did talk to Greg Gessler of Gessler head porting andwe talked over an hour about cylinder heads and I picked his brain pretty good, he told me, there is two main factors Buick has against them, Ports location and size, He went on and told me if half the people asked half the questions that I asked, there engine combo would be scary but they don't and I have guess what they need. Again thank for the great service you have done. Sincerely Gary

 

Devon, not to be a smart axx, but where is the wet flow comparison ? That is where you see all the difference in the world, Just go to DART MACHINARY website and see what makes cylinder heads tick, it sure is not pure airflow, Some of the big chiefs have less airflow then the cylinder heads belonging to monster engines. Like Dart SAY'S "sometimes you gotta put less fuel in to make more power". Now thank about that please. Gary

 

Thank You Mike T., My daughter right now is trying to upload two new drawing that I have worked on and studied like hell to achieve a certain power range, nothing like 450 but very close and the cylinder head still looks a Buick head. Here are my designs you all to ponder.[/URL][/IMG][/URL][/IMG][/URL][/IMG][/URL][/IMG] this validates what I like to do and try to get something done. I'm not looking to make the meanest cylinder head out there just something new and yes these heads are Canted/Splayed valved heads. they are not for your average daily driver or someone that cares about hood clearance but, racing in general. Again, Thank You Mike. Sincerely Gary

 

I was cleaning a ported head of mine , standing about 5 feet back and hitting the intake port with a hose. I was noticing how the water hit the back of the port and angle in as it exit the head. So I grabbed a shop vac and held it close and pulled it away with the watter hose on it, sure enough you can see swirl. What I took from this is more wett solid fuel enters the chamber from the far side, on the near side it depends on how close I held the vac. I guess this would be more of a forced induction simulation. But looking at my work i layed down the area around the valve guide. Now if I would have left the near side alone and left more of a ledge or ramp, I wonder if I may have taken 3 steps forward porting and took one step back porting too much.

 

The new chevy LS motors use a cathedral intake runner, kind of looking like the taller triangle of the buick. I noticed we are kind of going away from that taller rectangle, probably the valve location , has something to do with that.

 

J.W. you may be right on that, for the older KB Bunch, But the guy with the 20 inch pythons bearing down on youuuu. arrrrrrrrrr... you never know.

 

Just think now, If you do anything to the combustion chamber that swirl that you have seen will change! I have studied the in and outs of wet flow and it sure is mind boggling, Just think now if you moved the spark plug location to better the fuel burn, you could actually screw the whole head up. I always do a wet flow like you do before and after to see if I did anything better or worse and record it for further knowledge. Head porting is an art that is consistently evolving and no one person has ever mastered it yet but it's getting close though! Sincerely Gary

 

Here is another thing that works, a home made flowbench! Yes you can make one very cheap and it is amazingly accurate if buy the right stuff. remember now this flow bench is not as accurate as the wetflow bench but if you do your homework and record everything you do, you'll get the big picture. By the way if you use the wet/dry vac you can still do wetflow testing to see what is going on in the combustion chamber. http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/threads/i-built-my-own-flowbench-and-it-works.261626/ This is the one.

 

Thanks Gary , that is an interesting artical. I too have atleast 3 books by Vizzard and he details the shop vac flow bench. He pretty much throws out that 28 inches WC, I work in commerical air conditioning, so I have a dual digital manometer, and a digital air velocity and cfm meter. I have used the manometer to find the point under my car with the most negative back pressure, and I found on the Riviera its just behind and under the bumper. Needles to say , those chrome tips sticking past the bumper ... gone. And to those who have the pipes cut off really close to the muff, your in a positive to neutral area. Maby someone can get Vizard to port test some Buick heads....

 

My wet flow was by accident and more of a crude setup. But it did show how the air or wet flow turns inward into the cylinder.