Western PA. Where can I find a 12 bolt?

Discussion in 'Got gears?' started by Sabotage_666, Dec 21, 2010.

  1. Sabotage_666

    Sabotage_666 Guest

    Just got a 71 skylark a couple weeks ago and I'd like to put in a 12 bolt rear end, but I don't want to break the bank. Any idea where I can find 1 in western PA? Rebuilding is definitely an option. By the way I know it has a 10 bolt in it right now and I'm almost 100% sure its a NON C-clip, and I want a Detroit true track in it so I kinda have to up grade.
    Hoping to get good news:Comp:
     
  2. monzaz

    monzaz Jim

    I would build the 10 bolt 8.5...It will be the best option for strength and cost.

    I stock TRUE TRACs for the 8.5 28 spline or 30 spline

    If you need 12 bolt strength we can order you up some 30 spline aftermarket axles for the 8.5 that are 30 spline and will be RACE strength. Then you can use the 30 spline true trac unit your choice of gears some new bearings and you will be running strong and still have some money in your pocket. :) JIm
     
  3. monzaz

    monzaz Jim

    If you need a 12 bolt I have them too. :)

    I have 3.55 posi ready to go.

    I also have a 3.90 10 bolt 8.5 DETROIT LOCKER if you think you need that kind of strength. lol. :)
     
  4. Sabotage_666

    Sabotage_666 Guest

    Well Right now I'm at 250hp and 360tq.......stock, hopefully. But down the road I am thinking of a 455, or maybe even a 494 stroker, maybe 400-450hp at the most. So I'm thinking of going with the 12 bolt. S I'll be able to up grade it down the road if i need to. Gotta wait till January tho to buy, but looking for prices right now. Its a 71 skylark custom with a 350 and a 4bb carb. Anybody got an idea as to what gears it has already?
     
  5. nickbuickgs

    nickbuickgs nickbuickgs

    I have one for 850.00 3:31 gear 12 bolt
     
  6. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    The 1971-72 Buick 8.5 10 bolts are great rears. Unlike a 12 bolt, they have bolt in axles. The 12 bolt will require a different rear u joint. The 8.5 will be very similar in strength to a 12 bolt. I have a 1971 8.5 10 bolt in my 70GS, and I have at least 450 HP. I upgraded to 30 spline Moser axles and new matching Eaton Posi. Build the 8.5, parts are available anywhere.

    Have a look for the letter code stamped into the axle tube. That will tell you the ratio. Or, take the cover off and change the fluid. There will be 2 numbers stamped into the ring gear. Divide the smaller into the bigger and you will know your ratio.
     
  7. Sabotage_666

    Sabotage_666 Guest

    Ok so if I understand this correctly I don't have to worry about getting the Detroit true track for the rear end I have already? Even if it has bolt in axles? It don't really trust what I can't understand, and I sure can't understand how bolt in axles are safe with the bearings pressed on...... no disrespect but I'm just paranoid like that. And what about brakes? I'm planning on getting some nice Wilwood brakes for it.
     
  8. Sabotage_666

    Sabotage_666 Guest

    P.S I am will to listen if anyone can explain to me the monkey on how and why the bearings work on bolt in axles. I'm more than willing to use the original rear end but I really do want to get the brakes and limited slip diff I want for it.
     
  9. monzaz

    monzaz Jim

    LOL... YAh you really need some help here from what I am reading in the posts...

    Ok - ALL race axles have BOLT IN AXLES - WITH PRESS ON BEARINGS... This is why Larry was say the 8.5 would give you piece of mind on breakage factor.

    c-clip eliminator kit is a aftermarket way to get PRESS ON BEARING that bolt to the axle flange end (same place the backing plate is bolted) to keep them from be thrown from the housing upon any axle failure.

    NOW ALL 12 bolt chevys came stock with c-clip retention axles which are held in at the center of the carrier and about a 1/4 of steel button at the end of the axle shaft. SO everything from the spline outward to the wheel flange is free floating to slide out of the housing upon ANY axle breakage anywhere the whole length or the entire axle shaft.

    THIS is why Buick guys just do not prefer the 12 bolt chevy - It is called the 455 TORQUE MONSTER MOTOR...tends to snap stock factory axles when sticky tires are planting the torque to the ground.

    So Larry was saying at least if something does brake you will not ruin the rear 1/4 panels of the pretty restored Muscle Car. :)

    Hope this helps you understand what you are needed in a rear. IF NOT- PM me and will set up a phone call and you can shoot as many questions as you need till you feel comfortable on the subject so you can make a good educated decision on buying OR building a rear. Jim:TU:
     
  10. Nothingface5384

    Nothingface5384 Detail To Oil - Car Care

    scandc.com sells 12bolt axles with ford 9 big ends so you get bolt-in axles that way too

    hey monzaz, are you able to just slapp in the internals from a 71-72 8.5 rear and install them in a leaf-spring housing to get bolt in axles? or can you just weld on leaf perches onto the 71-72 axle and grind off the ears?

    sorry to steal the thread
     
  11. Sabotage_666

    Sabotage_666 Guest

    Ok here is the item number from Jegs so can some tell me if it will work?
    912A556. Just enter it in the search thingy.
     
  12. monzaz

    monzaz Jim

    Yep that is it. Jim
     
  13. monzaz

    monzaz Jim

    You have to use the complete housing it has the correct housing ends that give you BOLT IN AXLES.

    If you buy AXLE with ford ends you will need the FORD housing ends and have to weld them on to the housing...THAt really requires a narrowing bar to make certain the are square with the carrier saddles in the center section.

    I can do all this for you on your housing...I just do not know how far you are and wether you want to speed the money.

    AS long as you cut off the brackets from the outer lower control arm area you should be able to weld your leaf spring perches on. GET you pinion angle correct or you will be in trouble... :) Jim
     
  14. Sabotage_666

    Sabotage_666 Guest

    So will that part work or not? Cu it doesnt say in the description wearther the axle uses c clips on the Jegs website.
     
  15. Nothingface5384

    Nothingface5384 Detail To Oil - Car Care

    Thanks, i ordered a bunch of parts from you a while back for my 8.5 in the 72lark.. I was just interested to see see if I could get a BIA for the leaf-sprung apollo i'm getting soon.
    Thanks for the explanation though
    Mike
     
  16. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    I tried entering that in the search thingy and got nothing. Doesn't look like a Jegs part number to me. What exactly are you looking for?

    This is the Eaton Posi for stock 8.5 28 spline axles.

    http://www.jegs.com/i/Eaton/362/19557-010/10002/-1

    This is the one for 30 spline upgrade

    http://www.jegs.com/i/Eaton/362/19559-010/10002/-1

    The Posi will work with C clip axles, and bolt in axles. It doesn't matter.
     
  17. monzaz

    monzaz Jim

    Just Build one - Your Apollo should have a good 8.5 under the car to rebuild which will be your best ticket to strength. Jim

    We can make that a SUPER 8.5 10 bolt with 30 spline axles.
     
  18. monzaz

    monzaz Jim

    LArry, HE is looking at the EATON TRUE TRAC posi not the clutch type eaton unit. He has the correct number. Jim
     
  19. monzaz

    monzaz Jim

    ALL 8.5 carrier can be used in BOLT IN AXLE application...it is only the 8.5 c-clip rears that you need to get the c-clip carrier...IT IS A MUST for c-clip retention axles.

    Jim
    J D Race
     
  20. Sabotage_666

    Sabotage_666 Guest

    sounds good to me......less money to spend lol in a good way. True track and wilwood brakes in January. And probably some suspension stuff to. Since I wanna clean up the rear(and it has to come off any way) I'll be able to double check the rear end and make sure it is what i think it is.
     

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