The New England Patriots got caught cheating again....

Discussion in 'The Bench' started by Lebowski, Jan 21, 2015.

  1. moleary

    moleary GOD Bless America

    Right!

    The NFL should provide all the game balls, period, end of issue.

    Let's play that Superbowl now!

    Go HAWKS!!!

     
  2. Mike B in SC

    Mike B in SC Well-Known Member

    This makes the most sense... Heated the air or heated the balls after they were inflated...
     
  3. moleary

    moleary GOD Bless America

    I understand that the NFL gets the balls from each team one week in advance for inspection process for approval for use, then give them back to the teams two hours prior the game kick off after...so that would have been some hot air to make it that long.

    Go HAWKS!!!
     
  4. Mike B in SC

    Mike B in SC Well-Known Member

    Where did you hear this? Everything I have read & heard says the referee gets the balls 2 hours & 15 minutes before game to inspect them.
     
  5. Michael Evans

    Michael Evans a new project

    I though only your (the team that brought the balls ) used them for their offense.
     
  6. Jim Weise

    Jim Weise EFI/DIS 482

    That is what I thought too.. Actually I figured the NFL, with their 9 billion dollar yearly revenue, would be supplying and regulating the balls used for any Regular or Post-Season Game. Let alone the Conference Championship.

    But apparently each team brings 12 balls for their offense.

    Seems like something the league should be taking care of, and the only time the players get to touch the game ball(s), should be during the game. No "special scuffing" or the like.. everyone plays with the same football.

    Another question..

    I am not doubting the findings that 11/12 Pats footballs be under-inflated at halftime... but I am wondering how the officials, who touch the football after every play, could not feel the difference between the colts and Pats footballs..


    Not that any of this really matters, NE could have used a soccer ball and beat the Colts that day.. The game was a bigger blowout than even the 45-7 score would suggest.
     
  7. moleary

    moleary GOD Bless America

    I heard that report this morning, but I can not verify it as I only have read what you just said, so now I am not certain.
     
  8. garybuick

    garybuick Time Traveler

    What does the rulebook say about ball inflation? Must they be inflated to an exact pressure or a range? Did the refs in fact actually measure the pressure of each of the 24 ballsl? Couldnt it be as simple as the temperature of the air that went into the balls? This could be done intentionally or unintentionally.

    IMV there should be one "Game Ball" for each game and it should be provided by the NFL? What reason could there be for having 24 different balls per game?
     
  9. 436'd Skylark

    436'd Skylark Sweet Fancy Moses!!!!!

    Air temperature has nothing to do with it. A 20% swing in the pressure would require a drastic change in temp. The refs wouldn't be able to handle the ball it would be so warm.

    Think of your tires. I filled mine back in August when it was 80. The other morning it was -25 out. The tires weren't low. I would bet who ever decided to deflate the balls isn't smart enough to do the math to calculate the temperature change required to drop2 poundsThat's hooey.
     
  10. BQUICK

    BQUICK Gold Level Contributor

    You must have overfilled your tires then. For every 10deg drop you lose 1psi......on a tire.

    Since air is a gas, it expands when heated and contracts when cooled. In most parts of North America, this makes fall and early winter months the most critical times to check inflation pressures...days are getting shorter...ambient temperatures are getting colder...and your tires' inflation pressure is going down!

    The rule of thumb is for every 10 Fahrenheit change in air temperature, tire pressures will change about 2% (up with higher temperatures and down with lower). This means that light-duty, standard-pressure tires (typically inflated to 30-50 psi) used in applications on cars, vans and light trucks will change by about 1 psi; where heavy-duty, high-pressure tires (typically inflated to 80-100 psi) used in applications on recreational vehicles, busses and trucks will change by about 2 psi.

    In most parts of North America, the difference between average summer and winter temperatures is about -50 Fahrenheit...which results in a potential loss of about 5 psi as winter's temperatures set in. And a 5 psi loss is enough to sacrifice handling, traction, and durability!

    Additionally, the difference between cold nighttime temperatures and hot daytime temperatures in most parts of the country is about 20 Fahrenheit. This means that after setting tire pressures first thing in the morning, the vehicle's tire pressures will be almost 2 psi higher when measured in the afternoon (if the vehicle was parked in the shade). While that is expected, the problem is when you set your vehicle's tire pressures in the heat of the day, their cold pressures will probably be 2 psi low the following morning.
     
  11. jpete

    jpete Well-Known Member

    Did you check them?

    http://www.air-serv.com/consumers/tire-tips/

    More to the point
    In regards to a football, if they were filled in a 70 degree room with 70 degree air, and then were left outside in a 50 degree stadium, they'd lose roughly 2 psi wouldn't they?

    And because they were wet, they would be closer to the temperature of the rain, which could be significantly colder than the 50 degree dry bulb air temperature.

    My job as an HVAC tech requires I understand the pressure and temperature relationship of gasses. Air conditioning and refrigeration wouldn't work without it.

    And this all leaves out whether the ball was inflated with a hand pump or a compressor. Things heat up when compressed. If you ever got a second degree burn by touching the discharge line from your air compressor head then you know all about heat of compression and heat of work. :)

    There are several scenarios I can imagine where the balls would lose 2 pounds without anyone letting air out of them.
     
  12. BQUICK

    BQUICK Gold Level Contributor

    But then wouldn't the other team's balls be low also?
     
  13. moleary

    moleary GOD Bless America

    Have there been any reports that the Colts 12 footballs were also inspected for compliance with the NFL Rules? Seems logical that the same ambient environmental conditions that potentially impacted the Deflatriots footballs would apply to the Colts...but I am not an atmospheric scientist so it's purely conjecture.

    Go HAWKS!!!
     
  14. moleary

    moleary GOD Bless America

  15. gsfred

    gsfred Founders Club Member

  16. Lebowski

    Lebowski Mark it 8, Dude...

  17. moleary

    moleary GOD Bless America

    Was Tom cocky talking about his balls today?
    Go. HAWKS!!!
     
  18. eagleguy

    eagleguy 1971 Skylark Custom

    Bla Bla Bla, Go Patriots!
     
  19. jpete

    jpete Well-Known Member

    I haven't heard whether or not they were checked. The complaint was against the Patriots so I wouldn't automatically assume ALL the balls got checked.

    And since we've found out that each team supplies it's own balls for their own possessions and it was Patriots possession at the time, they only needed to check the Patriots balls.

    You'd also have to know under what conditions the Colts inflated their footballs and to what pressure. If they went to the high end, and the Patriots to the low end, then a drop in pressure would keep the Colts in spec but put the Pats under spec.

    There's too many moving parts here, to much doubt, and too many plausible explanations. I doubt the league can hang anybody with "cheating" but I would imagine a fine is in order simply because we know the balls were under spec.
     
  20. eagleguy

    eagleguy 1971 Skylark Custom

    Food for thought. Right after the Patriots won their game against the Colts and before the deflated football accusations I heard that Super Bowl ticket prices dropped significantly. Has anybody considered the current crisis may have been created just to get the ticket prices up again? Just saying!

     

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