Stock Brass Radiator Failing - Al upgrade time?

Discussion in 'Street/strip 400/430/455' started by lemmy-67, Sep 3, 2020.

  1. lemmy-67

    lemmy-67 Platinum Level Contributor

    Well, the NOS copper/brass unit which has been cooling my 67 for the past 20+ years is leaking again, this time from the driver's side tank. Been over 10 years since last I had it rebuilt, so I think this may be time to upgrade to the new Aluminum technology everybody's raving about.

    I've seen postings for the cold case units here:

    https://www.coldcaseradiators.com/product/68-77-gm-body-auto-aluminum-performance-radiator

    ...but I've had good luck with Summit Racing and they have some Al units here as well:

    https://www.summitracing.com/parts/sum-384002

    Anybody have any experience with either item?

    Cheers.
     

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  2. dukec

    dukec Platinum Level Contributor

    FYI
    I also have a 67.
    A couple of days ago I emailed Cold Case looking for recommendations.
    Reply was - we don’t have a specific rad for your app. Check out our universal units.

    Very unhelpful.

    There has been lots of discussion lately here on the site about aluminum radiators. Check out the comments and recommendations.
     
  3. 12lives

    12lives Control the controllable, let the rest go

    Get the Harrison one fixed.
     
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  4. 71gs3504sp

    71gs3504sp Well-Known Member

    Don't get the Cold Case Radiator it will not fit due to width in our radiator support!

    I learned the hard way thank god I am around the corner from them!

    I did get a correct radiator for my 71 GS but it was there proto type.

    Here are the photos of the Cold Case that did not fit against the 71 GS radiator.

    I would recommend Cold Case Radiator IF they would fit our Buicks.

    As you see the original radiator in the rear, the middle one is the Cold Case radiator which did not fit (this is the one they sell for our cars), and the first one is the proto type Cold Case radiator.




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  5. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    George,
    Can you expand on why it didn't fit? Width of the radiator support? Or the width of the tanks?
     
  6. 71gs3504sp

    71gs3504sp Well-Known Member

    The width of the cold case radiator did not fit within the width of the radiator because it did not align with the lower and upper radiator mounting bushing. As you can see in the photo above, the radiator mounting points is wider the the other two radiators. Cold Case does make a truck c10 radiator that matches the size of our Buick but the lower radiator hose opening is 1,75" instead of 1.5". The prototype radiator i got fit and worked perfectly.
     
  7. Ray

    Ray Well-Known Member

    just picked up a 3 core stock radiator for my sons car 76 regal radiator was completely gone through,was 375.00 he says they cool just as good as aluminum.thats just his 2 cents.
     
  8. rkammer

    rkammer Gold Level Contributor

    I just received my Cold Case radiator today part number GMA42-A listed for 1968-1972 GM A Body cars. It looks like the one in 71GS3504Sp's photo that he calls a prototype. I measured my radiator top support and it is about 28.5 center to center and 29 inches from outside edge to outside edge. The Cold Case unit is almost exactly the same measurement. I didn't look at the bottom support but believe it's the same as the top. The unit looks well made and I'll paint the tanks and install it next week. I'll report back on how it cools.
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  9. lemmy-67

    lemmy-67 Platinum Level Contributor

    Thanks for the info, everybody. I've ordered the Summit Racing model, hopefully it'll get here over the weekend & I can drop it in.
     
  10. rkammer

    rkammer Gold Level Contributor

    I hope it fits your car properly. Are you aware that the part number you posted the pic of is shorter and narrower than the stock 68-72 radiator by about 2"in each direction? My factory radiator (AC car) is 28" wide x 18 " tall. The Summit unit in your pic is 26 x 16.
     
  11. lemmy-67

    lemmy-67 Platinum Level Contributor

    I actually ordered a different model from Summit Racing: the 384000 model rather than the 002. It was on my doorstep when I got home from work yesterday. Man, that was fast. Ordered it Thursday morning, shows up afternoon next day with free shipping.

    I'll post pics of it soon: preliminary measurements are it's a direct drop-in replacement for the 3-row leaky Modine I have installed now. Gonna flush the system, change the thermo & hoses, then drop it in.
     
  12. 12lives

    12lives Control the controllable, let the rest go

    Are the OEM ones Modine or Harrisons? Are they marked?
     
  13. Brett Slater

    Brett Slater Super Moderator Staff Member

    Harrison's are the OEM radiators that came in these cars.

    The passenger's side tank has "Harrison" embossed on it near the top where you'd add/check coolant.
     
  14. lemmy-67

    lemmy-67 Platinum Level Contributor

    Well, I'm sure the original one was likely a Harrison, but that one got junked along with the blown head gasket shortly after I purchased the vehicle. The Modine in my vehicle now is a unit which I bought in San Carlos CA when they actually had a radiator shop back in the mid 90s, I used to live right in the same neighborhood. I could have brought it home on a skateboard.

    I've just flushed out the system with the garden hose (of which I have no garden to water, need to get a new hose, too) and everything is flowing clear. Gonna let the engine & catch pan full of murky water cool off, then start installing the new parts.

    Here's some shots of the new unit attached.


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  15. Schurkey

    Schurkey Silver Level contributor

    1. Are the hose sizes correct?
    2. Does your engine have block drain plugs, so you can get the flush-water out of the block? If not...add extra anti-freeze to compensate for the plain water trapped in the block.
     
  16. lemmy-67

    lemmy-67 Platinum Level Contributor

    The hose fittings match up, and I plan to give the full charge of undiluted antifreeze before topping off to the proper 70/30 mix.
     
  17. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    I would not run more than 50/50. More antifreeze is NOT better unless you live in the Artic. Antifreeze does not transfer heat as well as water. The more you run, the worse your heat transfer. That's why the container says no more than 70/30. I had a neighbor that had an overheating problem because he used 100% antifreeze.
     
  18. Schurkey

    Schurkey Silver Level contributor

    If the difference between overheating and not overheating is 70% antifreeze vs. 50% antifreeze...


    ...you have cooling system problems.

    My concern is that you might not get 70% antifreeze into the engine without draining the block. I'd expect a Buick big-block to have drain plugs; but I know that at least some Buick small-blocks don't.
     
    Last edited: Sep 6, 2020
  19. LARRY70GS

    LARRY70GS a.k.a. "THE WIZARD" Staff Member

    Later blocks, 75 and up? are not drilled for, and have no drain plugs.

    My block is a 75-76 block. There are no drain plugs. I recently had to replace my timing cover gasket because of a leak. To drain as much coolant from the block as possible, I jacked the back of the car up as high as possible. After draining the radiator completely and removing the lower hose, I removed the long water pump bolts. coolant drained from the bolt holes as those bolts go into the water jackets. I then lowered the back of the car and jacked up the front. When I removed the timing cover, I didn't lose any coolant, and I couldn't see any coolant in the front holes of the block. Did I remove all the coolant from the block?, probably not, but I got more of it out.
     
  20. telriv

    telriv Founders Club Member

    Yeah Larry in that instance I do the same thing.
     

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