Sign the petition to save Terri Schiavo from starving to death

Taking the whole God debate out of the picture, Terri's husband knows what is best for his wife and what she would of wanted. This should be about HER best interest. A lot of people against taking the feeding tube out seem to be caught up in the debate of, 'who are we (humans) to play God by starving her', well, WE are the ones who intervened with 'Gods will' and put the feeding tube in to begin with instead of letting her pass peacefully years ago. The best way to never have your personal life debated in public, get a living will.

 

I saw a thing about her on fox news last night...........I want someone to explain to me how she could have had 3 broken bones the night she had a heart attack if she was NOT physically abused? o No:

 

physical abuse, heart attack are in the same catagory. you will get beat up to get your heart going again.
the guy on nightline was probably is the smartest person i have yet. andrea is a e/r nurse(has seen plenty), said her brain is soup and she is only living on brain stem functions.
this whole thing is a religious, political, news coverage nightmare.
nobody belongs in this except the family and doctors and the family needs to be realistic about life and science.

john

 

One of her broken bones was a femor........if I have a heart attack, just break my leg and see if my heart starts beating again :laugh:

Also, Fox had 3 of her friends on and they asked them questions. They said she wanted to leave him just before this happened. I think this case is more about a cheating ex-husband trying to get away with legal murder than it is about right to life.

Also, a nobel prize winning doctor says that without a doubt she could be rehabilitated and would at least be able to talk. Wouldn't that be something? I think someone would be going to jail if that happened........and I hope it does.

What gets me is that a person is being starved to death and it is happening in the USA.......where human rights are supposed to matter. :spank:

 

My problem is, like many 'news' issues, we are given much incomplete, wrong, and biased reporting/information. How are we to form opinions given this environment? It's almost like court-one side gives a version of 'events' that fits one end and another side gives another version. Very few give unbiased FACTS. Really hard to know what all went on in this sad situation-don't know if we will.

 

Dan, ain't that the truth!

But certain facts they can't screw up. The guy wants her to die, her parents want her live and are willing to take the financial responsiblity. Sure, nobody WANTS to live this way, but there is always hope (just as I hope my car actually sees the road again). :Brow:

Why not turn her back over to her parents, who I'm sure know her better. Yes, my wife knows me well (happily married 15 yrs), but I have to say my mother knows be best (45 yrs so far). Sadly, dad passed several years ago. You should always error on the side of life. :Smarty:

 

You know how the death penanlty figuresin to the sancitity of life issue?

Close to 100 death-row inmates have been exonerated in the US since 1973.

22 -- yes, 22 -- death row inmates have been exonerated in Florida alone, which -- along with texas -- is our nation's leading executioner.

Do the math based on number of executions, number of death row inmates, etc., and you quickly come to the realization that it is alomost statistically impossible for Jeb Bush not to have condemned an innocent man.

Yet somehow, that is a risk worth taking to kill off a bunch of innocent guys?

Hey -- life is life. The bilbe may say an eye for an eye, but it says a lot of stuff about compassion and forgiveness, too. Either all life is sacred, or it's not. No middle ground. At least the Pope has that right.

The real issue isn't the sanctity of life, anyway. the real issue is political mileage to be made in a battleground state. It's about positioning Jeb in the limelight for a presidential run, and trying to win a Florida Democrat's senate seat for the Republican Party.

If Terry Schiavo lived in Texas or Oklahoma, we never would have heard a word about it. And don't say "but this would never happen to her in Tx or Ok." It happens -- everyday. People pull the plug on the elderly, the young, the maimed, all the time. It's just that the parents and husband generally aren't at odds.

But I guess if everyone agrees, killing someone off is okay. Or is that not the message?

-- Steve

 

The guy on Nightline presented the most unbiased, factual report, I have seen on this yet. He was appointed to report in an unbiased fashion to Jeb Bush on her condition and if the laws of Florida were followed. He reported that the doctors were correct and the best medical, scientific, and legal judgements had been followed.

Her brain is gone. The parts that control higher function are spinal fluid. There is nothing left for her brain stem to "talk" to. She will never regain any function. Her parents can not and/or will not accept this. They are delusional in my book, about her chances of recovery.

The removal of feeding tubes happens every day all over the country after decisions by next of kin. I have seen too many times when family members, other than spouses or health care designees, have forced their attitudes on end of life care into a situation where they are not the best choice for the patient, but for themselves, because they can't stand to see the person die.

My hope for Terri is a quick and painless death.

Larry

 

But does it not also say somewhere that a husband is the guardian of the wife and not the parents?

I question the husband's motives. I also question the federal government getting involved in state decisions. It's a real slippery slope. Whether it's pertaining to a personal dilemma like this, or anything else at a state level.

In my heart I think the husband is doing it for all the wrong reasons. In other words, for him, and not for her.

But I still don't think the president has any business in this matter.

 

mjoe, you need to lighten up. Thats not what Kase said. I would suggest you reread the entire post and delete your incorrect comments.

 

i really wanted to leave this alone but feel i have to respond being that i'am partly to blame for this thread going off track. my initial intension was not to bash anyones beliefs. i just believe and wish for complete and utter separation between church and state. that was it. i did not like one sentence.
then the reply comes back calling me uneducated (in other words stupid). i dont know about the rest of the world but if you call someone uneducated around here its considered demeaning and insulting. so i told him off in the nicest possible way (believe me in person it would have been alot more colorful). i do hate preaching and nine out of ten times i'll leave it alone but when i dont like one comment i'll say something and i dont think i should be insulted for it. now kiss my :moonu:
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Actually,I wasn't pointing out any one person.People have a right to their personal beliefs.I respect what you desire,but don't agree with it.I am certainly not going to attack you for it,since I myself do not like to be attacked for my beliefs.I just think that, on both sides, we need to take a few breaths before we reply just to make sure that what we say is not going to be construed as an attack.

I actually would not mind a discussion on church and state,but this is not the time or place.

I also saw the smilies at the end,I am hoping that was to try and lighten the mood some.

 

No "holy rolling" here.......I'm just deeply saddened that our nation has reached a new low by letting someone starve to death. At least a dog would get put to sleep!

I'm with Bush and the republicans all the way on this one........regardless of what their true motivation is. As far as her husbands lawyer goes, I think he's a liar and I don't trust any opinions that come from their side, I only trust facts.......broken bones and adultery are enough to convince me that something dirty is going on here.

And waiting 7 years to tell Terri's wishes sure smells fishy to me, it's just heresay unless it's in writing. Try going to court saying someone told you he wanted you to inherit all his money when he died........see how that would hold water. Why should this be treated any different? :bglasses:

 

yes, i'm cool. for now :Brow:

 

Whatever your views on all of this, there is one thing alone that we can't forget..... she is being starved to death!! Is being hooked up to a feeding tube again a worse fate? I don't know and I don't want to find out either. Since they knew that she will linger for possibly 2 weeks, I think if the issue is to remove her "life support", a plan should be in place to make it as quick and painless as possible. It's horrible to think that all everyone can do now is stare at her and wait.........

Emotions are high on this, but it should be continued on the board as long as it doesn't get ugly. I believe in God and maybe some of the in depth arguments about the Bible here should be shortened a little and that energy used to help a fellow man in need instead. I know we get worked up but think if some of that energy and enthusiasm to argue were used, say at the local food bank or something?

Time to get off the pulpit.....

Brian

 

Why not turn her back over to her parents, who I'm sure know her better. Yes, my wife knows me well (happily married 15 yrs), but I have to say my mother knows be best (45 yrs so far). Sadly, dad passed several years ago. You should always error on the side of life. :Smarty:[/QUOTE]


Dan, I hope you have put your feeling about your mother having the final decision on your care if you are incapacitated in writing and told your wife. I take it you have discussed all of your feelings with both of them and you have decided that your mother is best fitted to fulfill your health care wishes because she knows you best. I hope the state doesn't disagree with whatever your choice is because maybe they can get a judge to decide for you if it is more politically expedient for either your mother or your wife, whichever is unhappy with the other's decision.


The parents have demonstrated that they are incapable of rational thought about the care of their daughter. Do you think her husband put up that website. It's all spin. It is more propaganda by the parents. The courts have repeatedly found no evidence of foul play by the husband and that he is the one to decide her care. How many independant opinions are needed?????? Has any credible health care provider that has examined her and the medical records said she can/will recover. NO ONE in a PVS for 15 years has ever recovered.

Yes she is young and it is a shame to lose someone so young but she was lost 15 years ago.

The only good thing to come from this is how many people are discussing end of life care for themselves and putting those wishes into writing.

Larry

 

let her go

WHO HERE THINKS THEY KNOW BETTER THAN HER HUSBAND!!!!! :rant: Her parents? She may have NEVER spoken to them about her wishes as children should always outlive their parents. How is the husband such a bastard? Is his life supposed to stop? Can't he continue to care and love his poor wife AND want some "quality of life"for himself and seek happiness? There has been no evidence of abuse at his hands (stop grabbing at straws). And the $ was spent on care AND lawyers because he KNOWS WHAT SHE TOLD HIM!!!! He also was offered million$ by some zealot to abandon his rights. HE turned it DOWN!!!!! Instead of "making her live" , they should let her go. In the end all we have left is a lil' dignity, I hope she gets hers. :rant: