Even if the agent in this product is organic, be EXTREMELY careful about understanding it's ability to cause hydrogen embrittlement. I had a front spring break on me shortly after getting some deruster solution on it. Found out that result was to be expected with most deruster products. The general advice is not to use any derusting product on a structural piece such as springs, control arms, sway bars, etc., due to the danger of hydrogen embrittlement. You don't need a critical part to break on the highway.
Evapo Rust I guess I'll just shelve getting this stuff since everyone now is out to run buy it from someone else. Again, a wonderful show of support for a Buick Vendor that went and found out about something of great help for the Buick owners and uses the profits to make things available from no other place. Sorry to be so cynical about this, but jeez, you'd think buick owners would be loyal a little to the vendors that are loyal to the owner's cars. And you wonder why no more reproduction parts get made? Alan
Nor was it mine. Sorry Al. Fact is, the stuff isn't available at your corner hardware store, for most people anyway. I would encourage anyone who is interested in trying this stuff, to give their business to Alan Faircloth. Like he said, his profits go into Buick reproduction projects. That's an intangible that we can't afford to overlook.
BuickAl, Don't be discouraged. Since it was obvious that you weren't the inventor, naturally folks would try to research what product was involved. Perhaps if you had stated up front what the product was, and asked if posters would like for you to become a distributor, you might have gotten a different response. Let me offer you a example of how you can be a profitable reseller without being a sole source: I like a boating board, www.boater.com, which has several forums, each moderated by a different business owner. The most popular form is the "Engines and Electrical" moderated by George van Parys, who runs a boat business in NJ. George is deeply respected as an engine guru, who tires to see that every post gets a good answer. He also has a on-line catalog of boat stuff, but.... there is nothing there that isn't also available nearby or online from WestMarine, Boaters World, and others. George gets a lot of business by responding to posts with advice and links to his catalog pages. Posters trust him and buy from him in response. Many posts start with "George, I got the parts, and have a question on installation." So, you can sell even readily-available stuff based on loyalty. Just reconsider how to best present it to your market.
I thought that's pretty much what I was doing here. Testing the product myself, giving advice, being loyal to buick owners by making much needed reproduction parts, offering new BUICK specific products, so on and so on and so on. No one here knew about this stuff before I started bringing it up. Then what to my wondering eyes would appear, but a pitch to go buy it from a local distributor in the midst of me offering it. If you read my post about the lenses, you will know that I am making VERY LITTLE on them to keep the prices down. I HAVE to have profits to make other parts. I make these profits by selling a LOT of things in addition to parts that make me only a few dollars. Thanks to all who recognize this and buy from me AND THE OTHER buick vendors like TA Performance, Mike Garrison, Tri-Shield Performance, and so on. Alan
I'm still in too.... I can't even get the right brake lines down here, it'd be good to buy from someone who actually knows what he is selling.
Good Idea! Hey Al, sounds great, put me down for a gallon. Now I can really piss off my wife. I'll discretely spray a little over her Martha Stewart-esk rusted antique gardening decorations and knick knacks. Maybe then she'll get all her crafting crap out of my garage. :stmad:
Al Are you still going to distribute? I'm interested in supporting the cause, but if you cancel I will look locally. Thanks Greg ________ Interracial ****ing
I'm IN Greg, I'm just waiting on it to arrive. Already ordered a bunch of it. In fact, I need to post asking everyone to tell me what sizes they want. 1 gallon or 5 gallon is probably the best and biggest in demand. Alan
Alan, Took a look at my stuff in the shop, and it looks like I could use a new batch.. has been well used. I could buy it from a guy 10 blocks from me.. but what has he done for me lately, or in the future? I understand your concerns when folks want to run out and find the manufacturer, but I can tell you, get used to it.. it's just human nature. Folks who realize that there money will come back to them in parts eventually, will in fact by from a Buick vendor, I have personally witnessed that, and practiced it. Even if it costs me more for shipping charges. Put me down for a 5 gallon bucket. PM me, and I will give you my payment information. JW
I'm with JW 100% on this...sign me up for a gallon, Al! Jim, or Al, would you use this kind of stuff on a rear lower control arm, or would I be better off blasting it? Someone here mentioned not using it on something weight-bearing, or structural... o No:
I would also like to know if it's OK on structural or high carbon parts. If not, I'll take a gallon. If yes, I'll take 5! :TU:
how come the unfinished rotor has 7 holes and the finished has 6?????uzzled: ~looks to be a fixed picture to me
We used to plate a precipitation hardening stainless steel where I work. As the part was essentially used as a spring, we were worried about embrittlement due to the plating process. What we did to alleviate this concern was to bake the parts at around 450 degrees F (if I recall correctly) to allay the hydrogen problem. I don't recall if this was done in a vacuum or not. I just did a quick search and ASTM B849-94 and B850-98 are related to the reduction of hydrogen embrittlement potential in steels. I'll see if I can find a full text version of these standards and make some sense of it. The bottom line is I think most of the hydrogen can be removed after the corrosion removal process that's the subject here. Disclaimer: I'm not a metallurgist! Maybe someone with more knowledge can chime in. Now, if I can just figure out how to fit my sway bar in my wife's oven... :laugh: PS- For those not aware, this embrittlement happens over time, meaning the part may seem fine at first and then fail under stress somewhere down the road (literally).
no affence to the thread i summitted above, but I really watch and payattention to things very closely, especially if i would look into buying the product, but that's just me
I think you are mistaking the left and right outside "dimples" for holes in the rusty rotor. In the finished photo, you can still see both dimples, while in the rusty photo, one of them looks like a hole. I think it's just the light and shadows. At least that is what I see... o No:
